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Re: TV News Ethics Questions

> The helicopter pilots who were there
>could have easily landed and picked up Reginald Denny before he was
>beaten. Low helicopters frighten non-aviation people and animals, that
>is known to anyone who flies. A low flying helo could have easily kept
>the rioting animals at bay, while another could have quickly gotten
>Denny out of there.

I’m not sure of any of this.  Helicopters can startle people and animals
but
most people know what they are and may be less frightened of one than
you think.  Ground troops certainly have been known to act meanacingly
toward a landing helicopter.

Did these news helicopters have room for a passenger? A two-place Robby
doesn’t have room for a third person and that is what most news outfits
fly.

Did they actually have room to land?  The rotors on these things are
fairly
long and utility poles or power lines would be deadly.

Would the newsmen be risking more people by attempting a rescue than by
staying up?  I notice your strong use of the noun "animal" to refer to the
people in the riot zone.  Maybe the subhumanizing of these people
justifies
risking their lives.  I don’t think so.

I doubt if news helicopters were the silver bullet in quelling the riots.
I also
don’t buy the insinuation of unethical conduct of newspeople.

  Alice

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Entering the Pattern..CW vs 45

In article <4f85fd$…@dasher.cc.bellcore.com>,
   pat…@cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r) wrote:

> I well remember coming in to Easton, PA one day. I had
>|been listening for over 25 miles, and heard nothing on their unicom.
>|When I got about 3 miles out, I announced my position and intentions.
>|Another aircraft then announced they were entering downwind. Another one
>|rather hurriedly came on to say they were already *on* downwind, and
>|yet another one called base. Judging from the tone of voice, at least
>|one of those pilots thought he was the only one in the area.

Another thing that I’ve found useful when entering (and in) the
pattern is to  check the ground for *shadows*.  Learned to do
this when I flew a friend’s Aeronca that had no electrical system and
therefore no radios (HT’s hadn’t yet come on the scene).

One time a friend and I were flying to an airshow; he was flying and
I was riding right seat.  We were just about over the airport on a
cross wind entry when I noticed the unmistakable shadow of a
Cessna 310 real close and real big !  As we started to turn, the
310 came down about 100 feet off our port wing.  She was loaded with
people (we had a *real* good view) and they were all looking at the
neat aircraft on the ground — only saw the backs of their heads !).
We were in a 172 with full COM, and never heard a word…

Regards

Mark S. Bell                           412-268-7925 (Voice)
Software Engineering Institute         412-268-5758 (Fax)
Carnegie Mellon University             ** These are my opinions,
4500 Fifth Ave, Pittsburgh PA.,15213      not those of the SEI or CMU **

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Re: Stolen Certificates

Ok,
I had my wallet, and therefore certificate & medical stollen. The
people at the FAA in OK City were great. In this news group we
sometimes slam into the FAA so I feel that it is worth while
saying something when they do it right. Within 5 minutes I
had the fax in my hand and was ready to go, thanks.

For your information the numbers are :-

(405) 954 3261 to get your pilots certificate replaced
(405) 954 4821 to get your medical replaced.

**Don’t keep these numbers with your certificates….
I found them hard to come by.

If you need both then the first number can do that in one go.

After identifying yourself they will fax a letter good to fly
with for 60 days. Also they will fax you the form for applying
for the proper replacement. The cost was $2.00 per certificate
required. The only down side is that the date of issue will be
different on the new pilots cert’.

The Address is

FAA Airmen Certification
ASS-760
POBOX 25082
Oklahoma City OK 73215


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In a world full of people only some want to fly,isn’t that crazy
Gus Fraser, 212 235 0524. http://gti.net/fraser/flying.html
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Re: Crossing the big pond in a single engine

In article <4f8cau$…@cave.hiway.co.uk>, Nick Davis

<nickd.fly…@pop3.hiway.co.uk> writes:
>Whats the big deal, i have done it twice and ferry pilots that work for
me
>do an average of 5 a year.

Well the big deal is this — the majority of pilots do not get to make a
crossing except in the back of a 747.

I have a buddy of mine that used to fly right seat for me at the
commuters.  He made several crossings and has great stories to tell.

I’m always interested in another great aviation story.  

jgs3mstr
md88-fo

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MEA's between Wyoming & Alaska: Seattle to Minnesota

I am contemplating a trip to Alaska this summer in my Lake
amphibian, and before buying hundreds of dollars of charts, I
am seeking information on minimum VFR altitude for the routes
involved. Can any of you clue me in on the VFR route altitudes
for any or all of the following route segments?

  Cheyenne, WY to Jackson, WY to Calgary to Jasper to Juneau to
     Fairbanks to Anchorage.

  Also from Seattle or Portland to Spokane to Kalispell
     and Havre MT, then east toward Minnesota.

Thanks for your help, and I would appreciate any helpful hints
from those who have flown these routes.

Marc Rodstein
Boca Raton, Florida

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Re: Learn to FLY at PACIFIC STATES AVIATION

In article <4fbuhk$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pacsta…@aol.com

(PacStates) writes:
>Have FUN and learn to fly at PACIFIC STATES AVIATION.  Based at Buchanan
>Field, Concord, California for the past 50 years, we are open 7 days a
>week for your convenience.  We offer proven Cessna individualized
training
>for each student, from your private pilot license through ATP.  No
crowded
>classroom atmosphere here, just one-on-one training with your instructor.
>Special introductory flights for only $30.00.  Call now to schedule –
>510-685-4400.
>PacSta…@aol.com

Havn’t referred to the charter of this newsgroup lately but I think an
obviously commercial posting like this is at the very least poor form.

And what’s this "Special introductory flight for only $30.00" stuff???
What ever happened to the $10.00 intro ride I got several years ago?

Just my $0.02

Jgs3mstr
md88-fo

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Re: MSA: How to use it?

In article <p8tl2…@qnx.com>, ab…@qnx.com (Andrew Boyd) writes:
>Doesn’t anyone fly full approaches any more?  Let’s say you’re flying
>along at 10,000 ASL [which for simplicity is also AGL] and ATC says
>"radar services terminated.  You’re cleared for an approach at podunk".

>Now, are you going to remain at 10,000 ft until the IAF?  I don’t think
>so … now there’s this little thing called the msa …

I don’t believe this is a correct use of msa althought it is safe.  From
my understanding , since you are cleared for an approach at podunk, you
leave your assigned altitude for a lower altitude only when you are
established on a published segment of the approach and not at an arbitrary
point based on the msa

jgs3mstr
md88-fo

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Caught by an engine problem

Attached my story of a wee adventure enroute to/from Oshkosh ’95

The flight to Oshkosh was going well. Late morning found us at Scotts
seaplane base on Crane Lake, just south of the US-Canada border in
Minnesota and west of the Boundary Waters Wilderness Area. The trusty
old PA-12 with its upgraded 150hp engine had transported me from my
home in northern Manitoba about 500 miles to this point. The weather
was fine and US customs had been helpful and courteous.

The takeoff run to the north and east was a bit longer than I wanted –
likely just didn’t hit the sweet spot on the step just right. Made a
boat load of fishermen nervous as we headed in their direction. Climbed
out and turned to the SE for the next leg to Round Lake, Wisconsin.
Throttled back on reaching 4000 ft and the engine abruptly ran a mite
rough. Thought the temperature and altitude might be making things rich
and tried leaning the mixture. The engine settled down to its normal
rythym. As the mini-adrenalin rush ebbed away I tried to figure out
what was happening. It was a warm day by my northern standards, about
25 C, but within the summertime range I normally encountered with no
roughness. The humidity seemed higher in these southern parts. Maybe
temp + humidity + altitude was a condition I’d not seen before, one
requiring more aggressive leaning. The engine was running just fine
now; I slowly relaxed.

The leg to Round Lake went fine. Felt a bit tense flying over 15 miles
or so of Lake Superior, and landmarks were harder to find as we got
further south out of the heavy duty lake country. But Round L. showed
up on schedule and the ’12 settled gracefully onto the water. After
taking on fuel and chatting a while we taxied out of the lagoon and
lined up for takeoff. Seemed to take a long time to accelerate to
flying speed on the step. Hot and humid – yes, that always extends the
takeoff run. Finally we were off the water to the north and climbing
and turning for Oshkosh! Throttled back on reaching 3000 ft and the
engine ran a bit rough again. Not as bad as at Crane L., but definitely
not smooth. Leaning cleared the roughness up once more and I started to
lull myself into the notion that this novel southern environment just
took a little adjusting.

One farm looks like another to me, but nav was fairly easy on a SE
course. Just point the nose evenly between the N-S and E-W roads and
the heading is near perfect. The farms and forests of Wisconsin went
rolling by. Not long after the mini-mountain at Wausau the waters of
Lake Poygan came into view and we lined up to go north of the city and
get low over the water and avoid the Oshkosh airport traffic. Crossing
the shoreline of Lake Winnebago I was down to nearly 100 ft and turning
south to seek out Vette seaplane base through the haze. A few minutes
listening to the Osh approach control convinced me of  the need to stay
low. Excitement grew as my dream trip neared a close.

As I neared Vette base I enriched the mixture in preperation for the
climb to make my circuit for landing. The engine coughed and ran rough
immediately the mixture control pushed in. A moment of near panic
passed as the engine smoothed out – once my frantic hand leaned the
mixture again.  We started the climb with throttle open and mixture
lean. Soon we were in position and gliding for a bumpy landing in the
waves of the lake. The engine roughness was forgotten for a while in
the excitement of arriving, unloading, registering, and setting up
camp.

Once I’d gotten my bearings at Oshkosh and got over the initial rush
of  "Oh Gosh" as a first time visitor to the convention, I returned to
worrying about the engine roughness. I found the building where
volunteers tried to sort out maintenance problems. Was introduced to a
helpful gentleman, their expert on engines. I related my story. He took
it all in. He said " The engine is getting too much fuel and the
mixture is too rich. It is possible that the density altitude required
a leaner mixture. If it is mechanical I can think of  two things that
would cause the problem. Either your carburetor float is sinking or gas
is leaking past your primer. If the float is sinking you will notice
gas leaking from the carb when you have a look. Very soon it will have
sunk completely and you won’t be able to even start the engine." He
seemed very sure of himself.

I thanked him for his help and promised to check things out. I felt a
lot better having an expert opinion. I wished it was easier to get a
mechanic to check my aircraft, but at least I had a starting point. I
went out to the plane at its mooring and pumped the floats and gave the
engine compartment a good look. No leaking gas. Everything looked to be
in its place. Mixture cable still attached correctly. Ditto throttle
cable. Carb heat cable and flapper seemed to be Ok. I guess that leaves
the primer as the likely cause. Density altitude sounds lame given the
roughness at low level but might be a contributing factor.

As much as I enjoyed my week at Osh, thoughts of engine roughness still
troubled me. Considered asking a mechanic to come out to the sea base,
get the plane towed to the dock and have it given a once over. But I
feared all I would get  is a big bill, maybe a rebuilt carb and several
days delay. And the problem might still be there! I decided to make a
test flight before making the decision to head home.

On Aug.2, the night before home time, I taxied the ’12 out of the
lagoon and prepared to take off. As the throttle opened the plane
reared back in response to the thrust and the back elevator and tried
to climb on the step. We ploughed along, unable to get on the step.
Once I was convinced that waiting would not help I tried leaning the
mixture. The rpms came up and we climbed on to the step, making an
otherwise normal takeoff. A quick circuit and we touched down once
more. I was frustrated and puzzled as we taxied back into the lagoon.
Opened the cowl and looked the engine over once more. No sign of
anything out of place or abnormal. Closed the cowl. Secured the plane
for the night at the dock and headed for bed. What to do? Problem seems
to be getting worse. Can’t find anything wrong. Seems to work fine when
leaned. Convention all but over now – how would I get a mech to check
it out? Would a mech have any better luck finding a problem? I *do*
want to head home tomorrow. If the engine sounds worse on the way I can
get help at Round Lake or Scotts. If I get all the way to Red Lake,
Ontario I’ll have my choice of seaplane maintenance bases. Guess I’ll
try it in the morning and see how it goes. Settled into an uneasy
sleep.

Thursday morning the weather was lousy. Thunderstorm went through.
Steady light rain, low ceilings. Maybe inproving by lunch. Conditions
better to the west and north. Hung on, biding my time, thinking of the
weather. And the engine. After lunch conditions were marginal but a bit
better. Decided to head out. Used leaning to get airborne, climbed
couple hundred feet and snuck past Wittman field and Oshkosh. North and
west of the city climbed to 500 ft and settled in for the ride. All
seemed well. Weather not great but doable, and hope for improvement in
a while.

Somewhere near Waupaca, maybe 50 miles from Osh, the engine instantly
went from smooth to rough. Tried more leaning. Maybe a wee bit better,
hard to say. Starting to lose altitude. Increase power, very slowly,
engine sounds like there is not much more to have. Just about full
thottle and just holding altitude. Getting rougher.

As things slid downhill we had turned north to a small lake, maybe a
couple miles away. As we got closer I could see buildings on the south
shore, one fairly big. Circled to the north and started descending.
Lake had lots of reeds so likely pretty shallow, no time to be choosy.
Hope we can get back out again. Will have to get a mech to drive out.
Major delay. Major expense. Darn! At least we’ve got somewhere to
land.

Set down OK, engine still running, and idled toward the shore and the
buildings. Couple and a wee dog coming down to the beach as we head in
near their dock. Apologize for "dropping in". Introductions. Explain
problem. Open the cowl. Nothing seems to be wrong. But I *know*
something is wrong, finally. Out of frustration I lay hold of the carb
air box and give it a wiggle. IT MOVES. I can wiggle the heat box and
carb bowl back and forth. I can see the safety wired screws in the top
of the carb wiggling with the bowl as it moves. WOW! The safety wire
prevented the bowl from coming right off the carb, but it did *not*
prevent the screws getting loose.

Was worried the screws might be stripped,  but after cutting away the
wire found I was able to tighten the screws up just fine, all four of
them. Used snare wire from my survival kit to rewire the screws. Not
the greatest wire but I’ll be checking at every stop. Sure hope nothing
else is wrong. Thank my hosts for their harbour and their help. Fire up
and taxi out. Big question now is whether this lake will let me go.
It’s big enough if I have normal power, but I don’t know these waters
and could go aground. The folks said another cottage owner flew on
floats out of here so there is hope.

The engine snarls to full throttle and rpms are normal with the mixture
full rich! A quick run on the step and we’re off to the west and
climbing well. Circle and wag the wings for my new friends. Throttle
back to cruise with no problems. As if in approval the weather slowly
lifts and the return adventure starts to become fun. Round Lake, Crane
and Sandpoint Lake, Red Lake, Gunisao Lake, and home to Thompson,
Manitoba, all went well. A great trip, and VERY educational.
……………….

A lesson learned, I guess. Looking back I can see the evidence of a
problem accumulating, starting at Crane lake. A sluggish takeoff,
roughness at cruise. And it only got worse thereafter. I kept trying to
convince myself there was not a serious problem. I was reluctant to
hire a mech while away from base when the problem wasn’t well defined.
I was too eager to rely on the well meaning opinion of an expert who
had only my verbal describtion of the symptoms to go by. I failed to
learn from the last and loudest warning on the test flight the night
before leaving. Then I compounded the risk by heading home under a low
ceiling, giving me little altitude to play with if (when) things go
sour.

I was lucky that there was a useable lake nearby when the engine
threatened to give up on me. Further along I would have been forcing it
into a farmers field. Still further and I’d have been cutting down
trees with the old PA-12. Not a nice thought.

Still don’t know why a loose carb bowl will make the engine run rich.
Seems like the air leaking in above the bowl will disturb the venturi
flow and should make the mixture too lean if anything. Perhaps the air
leaking into the induction was atomizing fuel as it passed over the
bowl and thus enriched the mixture. Anyway, it was too rich. If the
bowl had gotten loose enough the engine would likely have stopped dead.
Cheerfull!

My mechanic had worked on the bowl at the last annual. When he safety
wired the screws he had not brought them tight enough, and may not have
had the right threading direction through the holes to maintain the
screws in their tight position. It is not easy to do working in cramped
spaces. When I got home I did it myself. And did it right.

A carb security check is part of my normal preflight now. It’s easy to
open the cowl on a ’12 and I do it anyway each day I fly. That’s one
gremlin that will never catch me again!

Hope this little story helps someone else avoid a bad experience.

Cheers, Phil

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Aerobatic diagram design software

I’m a french aerobatic pilot.
I’m looking for a software for WIndows 3.11 to help me designing my
aerobatics diagrams with Aresti codes.

Thank you for answering.

Fly safe.

Joel.

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SF Bay Area Pilots Meeting

Aircraft Pilots of the Bay Area, inc.

The APBA meeting will be held Feb. 12, 7:30 pm at the Western Aerospace Museum,
Oakland Airport.
The Western Aerospace Museum is at the old FSS, across from hanger 7, Oakland
North Field.

February Program:

Are you prepared for  survival after an emergency landing in the wilderness?
Duane Sitter’s program for the February meeting will be about survival
equipment and techniques.

Scheduled to speak is Paul Groth from the Civil Air Patrol. Paul will show
how they locate downed aircraft. He will also bring in a survival kit they
carry in their own aircraft to give us an idea on what we should carry.

Handouts will be provided to use as a check list.
This meeting could save your life!

===============================================================================
AIRCRAFT PILOTS OF THE BAY AREA, INC. (APBA) was created in 1941. It was
originally a group of local pilots who designated themselves an unofficial
chapter of AOPA (Aircraft  Owners & Pilots Association, Washington, D.C.).  
However,  AOPA demurred and as a result the local group went on its own as "APMO"
(Aircraft Pilots of Metropolitan Oakland).  In 1973 our name was changed to
"APBA" to reflect the widening participation of members from the greater San
Francisco Bay Area and beyond.

APBA  has, since 1941, been dedicated to promoting activities most enjoyed by
private fliers, including programs on safety and proficiency in flying, monthly
and weekly group fly-ins, dinner meetings, parties and special events throughout
the year.  The monthly publication, STATIC LINE, keeps members informed of
current news  and  provides a  forum for  expression of ideas and opinions by
members.

APBA  also has its serious business side.  Its constitutional purposes include
promoting, protecting and representing the aero-nautical interests of the
members.  During the long history of APBA, there have been many occasions when
activities undertaken by the organization  have been effective in achieving these
purposes.  Additionally, APBA has created a number of categorical awards with
which to recognize  those  who  have  performed distinguished service, or an
outstanding achievement, in behalf of aviation.

APBA provides a common ground for pilots and aviation minded people to share
flying experience and pleasures.  The special relationships between fliers in
APBA  have created lasting friendships  and  mutual bonds that have endured over
long years. Members come and go with time and changes in life circumstances, but
APBA remains a healthy and viable organization.  To many of our members, APBA is
a "family" in the broad sense of the word. Through voluntary cooperation and the
mutual enjoyment of the many activities found in ABPA, private pilots have a
valuable resource with which to express their needs and make contributions toward
a better future for  general aviation and an enrichment of the quality of life
for all.

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