As I write this at 4:50 pm pacific time, there is a Jet
Blue A320 circling with a nose gear problem. It’s rotated
90 degrees.
The news is carrying live video of the plane, but details
aren’t fixed. It may be landing at Long Beach or LAX. It
was bound for JFK from Burbank so it has several hours of
fuel on board. There’s talk about dumping fuel or burning
it off, but again the reports aren’t clear.
Jet Blue flight 292.
Oh, and the talking heads are really a laugh. "So I take it
the nose gear on all big jets can turn?" duh….how do you
think they steer?
Brian
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"Skywise" <i…@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in message
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> As I write this at 4:50 pm pacific time, there is a Jet
> Blue A320 circling with a nose gear problem. It’s rotated
> 90 degrees.
> The news is carrying live video of the plane, but details
> aren’t fixed. It may be landing at Long Beach or LAX. It
> was bound for JFK from Burbank so it has several hours of
> fuel on board. There’s talk about dumping fuel or burning
> it off, but again the reports aren’t clear.
> Jet Blue flight 292.
> Oh, and the talking heads are really a laugh. "So I take it
> the nose gear on all big jets can turn?" duh….how do you
> think they steer?
> Brian
KABC is streaming it to the web live…
One of the talking heads just said they will foam the runway. I
thought that introduced more problems then it solved for a situation
like this. My dad said he heard someone on Fox say something about a
"soft tail" landing, I wonder if perhaps they meant ‘soft field’
landing where they hold the nose off the ground as long as possible.
Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL
Skywise wrote:
> As I write this at 4:50 pm pacific time, there is a Jet
> Blue A320 circling with a nose gear problem. It’s rotated
> 90 degrees.
The news says that A320s are designed so that they cannot dump fuel,
thus this loaded plane must fly around for a while to burn off some.
Anyone know why the A320 is designed that way?
Good luck to the crew, btw. Watching it on TV, watching arrivals on
Airport Monitor, and listening via Live ATC. What a world!
Kev
"Kev" <kdarl…@basit.com> wrote
> The news says that A320s are designed so that they cannot dump fuel,
> thus this loaded plane must fly around for a while to burn off some.
> Anyone know why the A320 is designed that way?
(a) A fuel jettisoning system must be installed on each airplane unless it
is shown that the airplane meets the climb requirements of §§25.119 and
25.121(d) at maximum takeoff weight, less the actual or computed weight of
fuel necessary for a 15-minute flight comprised of a takeoff, go-around,
and landing at the airport of departure with the airplane configuration,
speed, power, and thrust the same as that used in meeting the applicable
takeoff, approach, and landing climb performance requirements of this part.
Jay Beckman wrote:
> KABC is streaming it to the web live…
Thanks for the heads up, this was a great resource at work.
"Ben Hallert" <ben.hall…@gmail.com> wrote in news:1127347757.850538.311870
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> One of the talking heads just said they will foam the runway. I
> thought that introduced more problems then it solved for a situation
> like this. My dad said he heard someone on Fox say something about a
> "soft tail" landing, I wonder if perhaps they meant ‘soft field’
> landing where they hold the nose off the ground as long as possible.
> Ben Hallert
> PP-ASEL
I’m watching ch 7 (KABC) and they’re saying ‘soft field’.
BTW, it appears that they are circling to burn off fuel as the
A320 cannot dump fuel. But the setting sun will be becoming a
problem as time goes on as the current plan is to land at 25L
at LAX, into the setting sun.
Oh, and the LAPD has just gone to city wide tactical alert. A
bit overkill, I think. It’s not a terrorist attack. It’s just
a plane making a rougher landing than usual. Unless something
goes drastically wrong, I think they’ll pull through just fine.
Brian
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Bob Moore wrote:
> "Kev" <kdarl…@basit.com> wrote
> > The news says that A320s are designed so that they cannot dump fuel,
> > thus this loaded plane must fly around for a while to burn off some.
> > Anyone know why the A320 is designed that way?
> (a) A fuel jettisoning system must be installed on each airplane unless it
> is shown that the airplane meets the climb requirements of §§25.119 and
> 25.121(d) at maximum takeoff weight, less the actual or computed weight of
> fuel necessary for a 15-minute flight comprised of a takeoff, go-around,
> and landing at the airport of departure with the airplane configuration,
> speed, power, and thrust the same as that used in meeting the applicable
> takeoff, approach, and landing climb performance requirements of this part.
Aha. Thanks so much! It never hit me that dumping fuel would be
related to a climb requirement. I was thinking of max landing weight,
or dumping fuel if you need to make an emergency landing (as in this
case).
Kev
"Kev" <kdarl…@basit.com> wrote in news:1127348824.014065.179670
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
<Snipola>
> Good luck to the crew, btw. Watching it on TV, watching arrivals on
> Airport Monitor, and listening via Live ATC. What a world!
> Kev
Anything of interest heard on Live ATC? I can’t connect. Too busy.
Brian
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Ben Hallert wrote:
> One of the talking heads just said they will foam the runway. I
> thought that introduced more problems then it solved for a situation
> like this.
I just heard on KABC an interview with an official from the LA fire
department, Jim Wells, who confirmed that they are not foaming the
runways. The radio host must have asked him at least a dozen times, "So
you’re not going to foam the runway?" Wells started running low on
patience, "No, we are NOT foaming the runway."
Wells said that they are currently anticipating a landing around
6:05-6:10pm PT. They said they will run firetrucks along with the plane
as it lands and foam the plane if necessary.
> Anything of interest heard on Live ATC? I can’t connect. Too busy.
Mostly routine, along with a few questions to ATC about how much longer
until 292 tries to land and everybody can get back to their regularly
scheduled lives. Sounds like airport ops are continuing normally until
they’re ready to land.
Another bit of info is that there are about 140 passengers aboard. Poor
passengers, had to ride for about 3 hrs, must be so stressful.
Kev wrote:
> Aha. Thanks so much! It never hit me that dumping fuel would be
> related to a climb requirement.
Can you explain to a layperson how the climb requirement factors into
whether it is necessary to have a fuel dump function? Couldn’t quite
understand the rule.
"Zulu" <z…@ihatespam.net> wrote in news:IknYe.21672$h02.17700
@tornado.texas.rr.com:
>> Anything of interest heard on Live ATC? I can’t connect. Too busy.
> Mostly routine, along with a few questions to ATC about how much longer
> until 292 tries to land and everybody can get back to their regularly
> scheduled lives. Sounds like airport ops are continuing normally until
> they’re ready to land.
Thank you. I might try to grab the archives later on.
Brian
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:50:48 -0000, Skywise
<i…@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in
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>Anything of interest heard on Live ATC? I can’t connect.
I’ll bet the Aircraft Communication Addressing & Reporting System
(ACARS) traffic is more interesting.
"Bucky" <uw_badg…@email.com> wrote in message
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> Kev wrote:
>> Aha. Thanks so much! It never hit me that dumping fuel would be
>> related to a climb requirement.
> Can you explain to a layperson how the climb requirement factors into
> whether it is necessary to have a fuel dump function? Couldn’t quite
> understand the rule.
Sure. If the aircraft loses an engine immediately following takeoff, it
still needs to meet minimum climb performance standards so it can clear
whatever obstacles it may encounter near the the airport. It is conceivable
that if an airplane (particularly a twin engine aircraft) loses an engine,
it may need to reduce weight to meet climb standards. Dumping fuel is the
easiest way to quickly reduce weight…
Yay!
Beautiful job of holding off the gear as long as possible.
The fire was a surprise, although it shouldn’t have been. MSNBC had a
pilot on, who’d had the same problem on a different airplane, and his
also skidded down the runway, but he didn’t mention flames.
Some mention of the fact that the pilot pretty much kept the airliner
on the centerline… which of course probably doesn’t please LAX’s
runway maintenance guy <grin>, who might have to repaint it.
On 9/21/05 9:29 PM, in article
1127352570.967474.210…@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Kev"
<kdarl…@basit.com> wrote:
> Yay!
> Beautiful job of holding off the gear as long as possible.
> The fire was a surprise, although it shouldn’t have been. MSNBC had a
> pilot on, who’d had the same problem on a different airplane, and his
> also skidded down the runway, but he didn’t mention flames.
> Some mention of the fact that the pilot pretty much kept the airliner
> on the centerline… which of course probably doesn’t please LAX’s
> runway maintenance guy <grin>, who might have to repaint it.
Awesome job. A soft and smooth as you could hope for. JetBlue has to be more
than pleased with the outcome of this.
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> "I just want to let you know…..We’re all counting on you."
"Surely you must be joking…"
Jetblue corporate and flight departments are more than pleased. Jetblue
maintenance and Airbus engineering are going to have a Real Bad Day(tm)
tomorrow.
Jim
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> Awesome job. A soft and smooth as you could hope for. JetBlue has to be
> more
> than pleased with the outcome of this.
> —
On 9/21/05 10:01 PM, in article 11j44444oktr…@corp.supernews.com, "RST
Engineering" <j…@rstengineering.com> wrote:
> Jetblue corporate and flight departments are more than pleased. Jetblue
> maintenance and Airbus engineering are going to have a Real Bad Day(tm)
> tomorrow.
> Jim
>> Awesome job. A soft and smooth as you could hope for. JetBlue has to be
>> more
>> than pleased with the outcome of this.
>> —
I hope they keep in mind that it could have been much worse.
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"Jay Beckman" <jnsbeck…@cox.net> wrote in message
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> <ptbpi…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1127353593.368364.300610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com…
>> "I just want to let you know…..We’re all counting on you."
> "Surely you must be joking…"
"It’s no joke, and don’t call me Shirley…"
I don’t understand why they couldn’t have sent two guys with sticks out
on the runway in their Jeep. It worked earlier in the week.
"Kyle Boatright" <kboatrig…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> [...] Dumping fuel is the easiest way to quickly reduce weight…
And a heck of a lot less politically problematic than dumping passengers…