I’ve been told that BOTH the safety pilot AND the PIC under the hood
can log time concurrently.
This is because it is an operation that requires two pilots per the FARs.
I’m not quite sure how to interpet the regs on this one…
James
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I’ve been told that BOTH the safety pilot AND the PIC under the hood
can log time concurrently.
Under certain conditions.
This is because it is an operation that requires two pilots per the
FARs.
That’s a parital explanation
I’m not quite sure how to interpet the regs on this one…
Quite simple. There are several conditions under which PIC time
can be logged (61.51(c)):
Recreational/Private Pilots/Commercial Pilots:
1. Sole manipulator of controls of aircraft for which
you are rated
2. Sole occupant of an aircraft
Private/Commercial Pilots
3. Pilot in command of operation requiring more than
one pilot under type certificate or regulation
covering flight.
Flight Instructors
4. When giving instruction.
ATP’s
5. When acting as pilot in command.
Now, lets say you are a rated pilot under the hood. You can always
log it by clause #1. Now, what about the guy in the write seat. If
he is the pilot in command (either pilot may be pilot in command), he
meets the requirement of #3. So you both could log it.
An excercise to the student…What is the maximum number of people
who can legally log PIC time in a Cessna 172 simoultaneously?
-Ron
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by several very good newsgroups. The commercial air industry is
likewise well supported in the area of general passenger airline
information. All that is missing is the existence of a newsgroup
dedicated to the air cargo and freight forwarding industry. Currently,
air cargo makes up more than 35% of the total value of all goods
shipped anywhere in the world and employs thousands. Questions and
comments realated to the operations of domestic and international air
carriers would be discussed as well as addressing the interests of
small package air freight companies. The air related interests of the
freight forwarding community would also be discussed as there is no
existing source for exchange of this information.
CHARTER: misc.transport.air-industry.cargo
Discussion will be allowed on a variety of subjects deemed either too
specific in nature or inappropriate by the charters of the existing
newsgroups. Individuals and companies will be allowed to request and
trade information and comments on the status of the air cargo
industry. Exportation questions would be addressed for the beginner
as well as specific inquires by shippers. (i.e. "Who supplies ground
handling in Merida, Mexico?" or "How do I clear customs in
Austrailia?") Shared experiences of both the air cargo and forwarding
community would provide immensely helpful information to each other in
regard to the do’s and don’ts of dealing with unfamiliar airports,
cultures, regulations, companies, procedures, and governments.
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Voted YES
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mul…@ssdnet.com.ar MULTICARGO USA INC.
eastm…@omen.com.au Graeme Eastman
dgri…@ozemail.com.au David Griffiths
to…@zip.com.au Tony Clifford
HelperGoddessOff…@innet.be Urd-sama’s Desk
J.Nol…@innet.be Jos Nolens
aviat…@mtec.com.br Aviation On Line
ae…@freenet.carleton.ca Nigel Allen
jsm…@direct.ca Jim Smith
dlit…@abcs.com Dan Litman
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blan…@AtlanticAir.com Mark A. Blanton
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4…@research.bell-labs.com Bob Fourer
luker…@bga.com Luke Ross
a…@bmsi.com Ad Brault
cwhee…@ccnet.com C. Wheeler
ltlfi…@ccnet.com Donald B Littlefield
k…@chicago.com Karl Swartz
z…@cjnetworks.com Ned
cabla…@coastnet.com Avi8tr
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100410.3…@CompuServe.COM Prohotel Cons
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70730….@CompuServe.COM Marcia Jedd
76054.1…@CompuServe.COM Jim Rand
jgan…@connecti.com Jim Gansle
pf…@cris.com Charles Adler
serra…@cris.com Vincent DiPilato
Tref…@ctt.com Treftz, Henry .
gunsn…@datasync.com Jerry L. Giles
hedwa…@dcci.com Henry & Linda Edwards
su…@kahala.ENET.dec.com Rick ….. Time to turn up the heat! (outside)
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p…@DEJLAW.COM PATRICIA N. SNYDER (3195)
hardh…@erols.com Peter N. & Eleanor B. Randrup
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tas…@watson.ibm.com Carvalho
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ma…@iglou.com Matthew Clay Coleman
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dap…@infotechsys.com Daphne Blount
mar…@infotechsys.com Marcia Hopkins
mich…@infotechsys.com Michael Corfman
m…@infotechsys.com Michael Sarrafian
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lst…@interserve.com Larry Stone
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d…@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo) wrote:
> RESULT
> moderated group misc.transport.air-industry.cargo passes 261:43
I can’t thank everyone enough for their support!
For those of you who are interested in transportation, and only voted
no because of the moderation aspect, I hope you will become regular
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