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>Jim Wilkinson (jam…@microsys.net) wrote:

>:   All US pilot certificate issued on the basis of a foreign pilot
>: license (only to member-states belonging to ICAO) are issued with the
>: following restriction: "All restrictions and limitations on the [ original]
>: license apply." What this means is that if you can’t do it there, you can’t
>: do it here.

>But what is the difference between "restrictions and limitations on the
>[original] license" and a difference in the rules regarding operations of
>an aircraft?  If you can’t do it because of a limit on your certificate,
>it’s one thing; if it’s because of a difference in the rules of
>operation, it’s another.

>Flying VFR above a cloud deck is regulated (or not) in Part 91, it is not
>tied to my license. In contrast, my license does limit me to Part 91
>operations (private pilot,) single engine land, VFR only.

>I would expect that persons operating in this country are expected to
>follow the rules of Part 91, not the rules of their home country.

That’s exactly why the rule exists– there are some countries that place
restrictions on their license that apply even while outside their
sovereign airspace.  For example, a Canadian private pilot is not allowed
to fly at night unless the license is specifically endorsed for night
flight.  If a non-night-rated Canadian pilot was to get an FAA license
based simply on his Canadian license, it would *also* be limited to
day-only flight, even though night VFR is a basic privilege of the U.S.
private license.

—
Chris Rasley   <http://www.mi.net/dialin/cpr>
Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada.  High-Enroute ATC (CZQM), PP-ASEL

:>remain the VFR distances from the clouds that created the hole.  Once
:>on top, you must remain VFR also, with respect to the cloud tops.
:>Alway remember, you don’t want to be too close to the tops or bottoms,
:>since I may be climbing through the clouds with my B-767 at rates in
:>excess of 4000 fpm at speeds of .80 Mach.  Another important thing:
:>Holes tend to close rapidly.  I have heard many of general aviation
:>pilot *stuck* on top – lost.  Those that try to get down tend to find
:>the bottoms are no longer at 2 or 3 thousand feet, they are now down
:>to 200 feet.  Many of general aviation pilot has plowed holes into the
:>ground by developing vertigo.  I would recommend you keep training,
:>get that instrument ticket.  That way when you go VFR and a hole
:>closes in on you, or you can’t out climb the tops, or the bottoms suck
:>down to CAT 1 mins. you can still get down in one piece.

That’s exactly why the old-timers used to call those gaps in the clouds

:       All US pilot certificate issued on the basis of a foreign pilot
: license (only to member-states belonging to ICAO) are issued with the
: following restriction: "All restrictions and limitations on the [ original]
: license apply." What this means is that if you can’t do it there, you can’t
: do it here.

But what is the difference between "restrictions and limitations on the
[original] license" and a difference in the rules regarding operations of
an aircraft?  If you can’t do it because of a limit on your certificate,
it’s one thing; if it’s because of a difference in the rules of
operation, it’s another.

Flying VFR above a cloud deck is regulated (or not) in Part 91, it is not
tied to my license. In contrast, my license does limit me to Part 91
operations (private pilot,) single engine land, VFR only.

I would expect that persons operating in this country are expected to
follow the rules of Part 91, not the rules of their home country.

Gerry

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>On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, David Taylor wrote:

>I think you will find that the FAA license allows exactly the priveleges
>allowed to ANY holder of the FAA license or certificate, once it is issued.
>The path followed to obtain it is absolutely irrelevant at that point.
>FAA license/certificate operating in FAA jurisdiction follow FAA regs.
>CAA license/certificate operating in CAA jurisdiction follow CAA regs.

Not true, John.  See my other posts on this subject.  There ARE limitations on
US pilot certificates issued on the basis of foreign licenses.

Jim Wilkinson
FAA Ops Inspector
Long Beach FSDO
310-420-1755
e-mail: james.m.wilkin…@mail.hq.faa.gov
[The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily
those of the writer OR his most patient employer!]

I’m in the UK so popping along to my local FSDO is a rather expensive
trip!

David.

>> If you can maintain VFR separation from the clouds and have the required
>> visibility, then yes, you can climb through a hole to VFR on top.  It is
>> legal in the US to fly VFR above a solid cloud layer.  The jury is still

>This is getting complex!  There is a suggestion that with a FAA license
>on granted on the basis of a CAA licence that this isn’t legal.  Anyone,
>absolutely and intimlately involved with the FAR’s like to answer this
>one?

        All US pilot certificate issued on the basis of a foreign pilot
license (only to member-states belonging to ICAO) are issued with the
following restriction: "All restrictions and limitations on the [ original ]
license apply."  What this means is that, if you can’t do it there, you can’t
do it here.

>> would recommend that you contact your DE (the guy who gave you the test)
>> and tell him that you still haven’t received your certificate.  He can

>I’ve phoned them and they said it’s normal, it will take ages

        It takes about 3 months for a permanent certificate to be issued.  
It’s a while.

Jim Wilkinson
FAA Ops Inspector
Long Beach FSDO
310-420-1755
e-mail: james.m.wilkin…@mail.hq.faa.gov
[The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily
those of the writer OR his most patient employer!]

This is getting complex!  There is a suggestion that with a FAA license
on granted on the basis of a CAA licence that this isn’t legal.  Anyone,
absolutely and intimlately involved with the FAR’s like to answer this
one?

> would recommend that you contact your DE (the guy who gave you the test)
> and tell him that you still haven’t received your certificate.  He can

I’ve phoned them and they said it’s normal, it will take ages – I thought
the CAA were slow!

Cheers

David.

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I think you will find that the FAA license allows exactly the priveleges
allowed to ANY holder of the FAA license or certificate, once it is issued.
The path followed to obtain it is absolutely irrelevant at that point.
FAA license/certificate operating in FAA jurisdiction follow FAA regs.
CAA license/certificate operating in CAA jurisdiction follow CAA regs.
No problem.
John

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Jim Wilkinson wrote:

> In article <4q15sv$…@liberator.concentric.net>,
>    es…@cris.com (Frank) wrote:
> >djtay…@cix.compulink.co.uk ("David Taylor") wrote:

> >As far as your ticket.  Go to your local GADO or FSDO and show your
> >expired ticket, they will get you a new one.  You might try your
> >examiner, he too can issue you a new one.  I have been getting
> >licenses and ratings for over 28 years.  The permanent license nearly
> >always comes in during the last week or two of the temp.

> Frank:

> You need to get your facts straight. There are no more GADO’s and designated
> pilot examiners may NOT reissue expired certificates; only an FAA Inspector
> can do that.

> The applicant MUST show up, in person, with a picture id card that looks like
> the applicant (many do not, like driver licenses issued years ago…these
> won’t work), at any FSDO.  Try to do it early in the day and give yourself
> some time; your status MUST be verified with the Airman Certification

What am I missing here?? I wasn’t aware that FAA issued Airman
Certificates ever expired in the U.S.  In fact, I have read they *don’t*
expire, that only the medical certificate expires here in the U.S.
—
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
The Zen hotdog… make me one with everything!

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Jerry Bransford <jer…@cts.com> wrote:
>Jim Wilkinson wrote:

>> In article <4q15sv$…@liberator.concentric.net>,
>>    es…@cris.com (Frank) wrote:
>> >djtay…@cix.compulink.co.uk ("David Taylor") wrote:

>> >As far as your ticket.  Go to your local GADO or FSDO and show your
>> >expired ticket, they will get you a new one.  You might try your
>> >examiner, he too can issue you a new one.  I have been getting
>> >licenses and ratings for over 28 years.  The permanent license nearly
>> >always comes in during the last week or two of the temp.

>> Frank:

>> You need to get your facts straight. There are no more GADO’s and designated
>> pilot examiners may NOT reissue expired certificates; only an FAA Inspector
>> can do that.
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>What am I missing here?? I wasn’t aware that FAA issued Airman
>Certificates ever expired in the U.S.  In fact, I have read they *don’t*
>expire, that only the medical certificate expires here in the U.S.

Didn’t see the beginning of this so I don’t know what kind of certificate
we are talking about….  but temporary certificates DO expire.

Curtis