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  Not a club, but to finish your commercial, I can highly recommend &lt;br /&gt; Pacific States Aviation, based at CCR. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; I was living in Claremont and it was 30 minutes door to door. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;Did my private there with their chief pilot, Doug Draper, who I highly &lt;br /&gt; recommend. &#160;Bob Bretz is good as well. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;925-685-4400 &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jonathan &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In &lt;1127420198.049795.160...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com&gt; jacobowitz73@ &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;yahoo.com wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; Thanks, for the response, I&#039;ll check it out. Otherwise, the response &lt;br /&gt; &gt; to this post has been sadly minimal. The rates at CA Airways seem okay, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; though. One reason I prefer a club is insurance. Club policies usually &lt;br /&gt; &gt; name the members, and so you can&#039;t be subrogated against. At an FBO &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I&#039;ll need a policy of my own. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; -- dave j &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Hamish Reid wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; In article &lt;1127278945.706102.123...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt;, &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &#160;jacobowit...@yahoo.com wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I just moved up to Berkeley, CA to attend grad school. Before that, &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I lived in Silicon Valley and flew out of Palo Alto. I&#039;ve been &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; flying with a club there, Sundance, since &#039;99 or so and I&#039;ve been &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; pretty happy. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; But the drive to KPAO from Berkeley is a bit long. I&#039;m looking to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; see if anybody has recommendations for clubs at KOAK or KCCR. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; About me: I&#039;m an instrument-rated private pilot, with about 300 &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; hours. I was working on my commercial rating when I moved. I&#039;ve got &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; about 15 hours complex time, all of that in a 172RG. For fooling &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; around, I&#039;ll take a 172 or an Archer, and for &quot;trying to get &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; somehwere&quot; I usually opt for a C182. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#039;m looking for a club with a variety of aircraft, low rates, good &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; maintenance, decent enough avionics to make IFR practical, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; connections w/ good instructors so I might finish my commercial. ( &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; which is admittedly on the back-burner with school on). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Any advice? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; It&#039;s not a club per se, and it&#039;s at Hayward (KHWD) rather than &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; Oakland, but I now use California Airways, &lt;http://www.california- &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; airways.com/&gt;. It&#039;s been a pleasant experience -- the prices are &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; reasonable (for the Bay Area), the planes well-maintained, there&#039;s a &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; reasonable variety of planes available, and the people seem pretty &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; good. I&#039;m in a similar sort of situation as you -- instrument rated &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; and starting to do the commercial (or starting to think about doing &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; it :-) ) -- and it&#039;s worked out well so far. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160;Hamish &#160;-- California Flying -- &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a club, but to finish your commercial, I can highly recommend <br /> Pacific States Aviation, based at CCR. &nbsp; <br /> I was living in Claremont and it was 30 minutes door to door. <br /> 
<p>Did my private there with their chief pilot, Doug Draper, who I highly <br /> recommend. &nbsp;Bob Bretz is good as well.  </p>
<p>925-685-4400  </p>
<p>Jonathan  </p>
<p>In &lt;1127420198.049795.160&#8230;@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com&gt; jacobowitz73@  </p>
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<p>yahoo.com wrote: <br /> 
<p>&gt; Thanks, for the response, I&#8217;ll check it out. Otherwise, the response <br /> &gt; to this post has been sadly minimal. The rates at CA Airways seem okay, <br /> &gt; though. One reason I prefer a club is insurance. Club policies usually <br /> &gt; name the members, and so you can&#8217;t be subrogated against. At an FBO <br /> &gt; I&#8217;ll need a policy of my own.  </p>
<p>&gt; &#8212; dave j  </p>
<p>&gt; Hamish Reid wrote: <br /> &gt;&gt; In article &lt;1127278945.706102.123&#8230;@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt;, <br /> &gt;&gt; &nbsp;jacobowit&#8230;@yahoo.com wrote:  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &gt; I just moved up to Berkeley, CA to attend grad school. Before that, <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; I lived in Silicon Valley and flew out of Palo Alto. I&#8217;ve been <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; flying with a club there, Sundance, since &#8217;99 or so and I&#8217;ve been <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; pretty happy.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &gt; But the drive to KPAO from Berkeley is a bit long. I&#8217;m looking to <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; see if anybody has recommendations for clubs at KOAK or KCCR.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &gt; About me: I&#8217;m an instrument-rated private pilot, with about 300 <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; hours. I was working on my commercial rating when I moved. I&#8217;ve got <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; about 15 hours complex time, all of that in a 172RG. For fooling <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; around, I&#8217;ll take a 172 or an Archer, and for &quot;trying to get <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; somehwere&quot; I usually opt for a C182.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#8217;m looking for a club with a variety of aircraft, low rates, good <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; maintenance, decent enough avionics to make IFR practical, and <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; connections w/ good instructors so I might finish my commercial. ( <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; which is admittedly on the back-burner with school on).  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &gt; Any advice?  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; It&#8217;s not a club per se, and it&#8217;s at Hayward (KHWD) rather than <br /> &gt;&gt; Oakland, but I now use California Airways, &lt;<a href="http://www.california-" rel="nofollow">http://www.california-</a> <br /> &gt;&gt; airways.com/&gt;. It&#8217;s been a pleasant experience &#8212; the prices are <br /> &gt;&gt; reasonable (for the Bay Area), the planes well-maintained, there&#8217;s a <br /> &gt;&gt; reasonable variety of planes available, and the people seem pretty <br /> &gt;&gt; good. I&#8217;m in a similar sort of situation as you &#8212; instrument rated <br /> &gt;&gt; and starting to do the commercial (or starting to think about doing <br /> &gt;&gt; it <img src='http://www.foraviators.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) &#8212; and it&#8217;s worked out well so far.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Hamish &nbsp;&#8211; California Flying &#8212; <br /> &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&#038;gt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&#038;gt</a>; </p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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  In article &lt;1127278945.706102.123...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt;, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&#160;jacobowit...@yahoo.com wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I just moved up to Berkeley, CA to attend grad school. Before that, I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; lived in Silicon Valley and flew out of Palo Alto. I&#039;ve been flying &lt;br /&gt; &gt; with a club there, Sundance, since &#039;99 or so and I&#039;ve been pretty &lt;br /&gt; &gt; happy. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; But the drive to KPAO from Berkeley is a bit long. I&#039;m looking to see &lt;br /&gt; &gt; if anybody has recommendations for clubs at KOAK or KCCR. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; About me: I&#039;m an instrument-rated private pilot, with about 300 hours. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I was working on my commercial rating when I moved. I&#039;ve got about 15 &lt;br /&gt; &gt; hours complex time, all of that in a 172RG. For fooling around, I&#039;ll &lt;br /&gt; &gt; take a 172 or an Archer, and for &quot;trying to get somehwere&quot; I usually &lt;br /&gt; &gt; opt for a C182. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I&#039;m looking for a club with a variety of aircraft, low rates, good &lt;br /&gt; &gt; maintenance, decent enough avionics to make IFR practical, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; connections w/ good instructors so I might finish my commercial. (which &lt;br /&gt; &gt; is admittedly on the back-burner with school on). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Any advice? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s not a club per se, and it&#039;s at Hayward (KHWD) rather than Oakland, &lt;br /&gt; but I now use California Airways, &lt;http://www.california-airways.com/&gt;. &lt;br /&gt; It&#039;s been a pleasant experience -- the prices are reasonable (for the &lt;br /&gt; Bay Area), the planes well-maintained, there&#039;s a reasonable variety of &lt;br /&gt; planes available, and the people seem pretty good. I&#039;m in a similar &lt;br /&gt; sort of situation as you -- instrument rated and starting &lt;br /&gt; to do the commercial (or starting to think about doing it :-) ) -- and &lt;br /&gt; it&#039;s worked out well so far. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160;Hamish &#160;-- California Flying -- &lt;br /&gt; &lt;http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1127278945.706102.123&#8230;@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt;, <br /> 
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<p>&nbsp;jacobowit&#8230;@yahoo.com wrote: <br /> &gt; I just moved up to Berkeley, CA to attend grad school. Before that, I <br /> &gt; lived in Silicon Valley and flew out of Palo Alto. I&#8217;ve been flying <br /> &gt; with a club there, Sundance, since &#8217;99 or so and I&#8217;ve been pretty <br /> &gt; happy. <br /> 
<p>&gt; But the drive to KPAO from Berkeley is a bit long. I&#8217;m looking to see <br /> &gt; if anybody has recommendations for clubs at KOAK or KCCR.  </p>
<p>&gt; About me: I&#8217;m an instrument-rated private pilot, with about 300 hours. <br /> &gt; I was working on my commercial rating when I moved. I&#8217;ve got about 15 <br /> &gt; hours complex time, all of that in a 172RG. For fooling around, I&#8217;ll <br /> &gt; take a 172 or an Archer, and for &quot;trying to get somehwere&quot; I usually <br /> &gt; opt for a C182.  </p>
<p>&gt; I&#8217;m looking for a club with a variety of aircraft, low rates, good <br /> &gt; maintenance, decent enough avionics to make IFR practical, and <br /> &gt; connections w/ good instructors so I might finish my commercial. (which <br /> &gt; is admittedly on the back-burner with school on).  </p>
<p>&gt; Any advice? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a club per se, and it&#8217;s at Hayward (KHWD) rather than Oakland, <br /> but I now use California Airways, &lt;<a href="http://www.california-airways.com/&gt;" rel="nofollow">http://www.california-airways.com/&gt;</a>. <br /> It&#8217;s been a pleasant experience &#8212; the prices are reasonable (for the <br /> Bay Area), the planes well-maintained, there&#8217;s a reasonable variety of <br /> planes available, and the people seem pretty good. I&#8217;m in a similar <br /> sort of situation as you &#8212; instrument rated and starting <br /> to do the commercial (or starting to think about doing it <img src='http://www.foraviators.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) &#8212; and <br /> it&#8217;s worked out well so far.  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Hamish &nbsp;&#8211; California Flying &#8212; <br /> &lt;<a href="http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&#038;gt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&#038;gt</a>; </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;Thanks, for the response, I&#039;ll check it out. Otherwise, the response to &lt;br /&gt; this post has been sadly minimal. The rates at CA Airways seem okay, &lt;br /&gt; though. One reason I prefer a club is insurance. Club policies usually &lt;br /&gt; name the members, and so you can&#039;t be subrogated against. At an FBO &lt;br /&gt; I&#039;ll need a policy of my own. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- dave j &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;Hamish Reid wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; In article &lt;1127278945.706102.123...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt;, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;jacobowit...@yahoo.com wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; I just moved up to Berkeley, CA to attend grad school. Before that, I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; lived in Silicon Valley and flew out of Palo Alto. I&#039;ve been flying &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; with a club there, Sundance, since &#039;99 or so and I&#039;ve been pretty &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; happy. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; But the drive to KPAO from Berkeley is a bit long. I&#039;m looking to see &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; if anybody has recommendations for clubs at KOAK or KCCR. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; About me: I&#039;m an instrument-rated private pilot, with about 300 hours. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; I was working on my commercial rating when I moved. I&#039;ve got about 15 &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; hours complex time, all of that in a 172RG. For fooling around, I&#039;ll &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; take a 172 or an Archer, and for &quot;trying to get somehwere&quot; I usually &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; opt for a C182. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#039;m looking for a club with a variety of aircraft, low rates, good &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; maintenance, decent enough avionics to make IFR practical, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; connections w/ good instructors so I might finish my commercial. (which &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; is admittedly on the back-burner with school on). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; Any advice? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; It&#039;s not a club per se, and it&#039;s at Hayward (KHWD) rather than Oakland, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; but I now use California Airways, &lt;http://www.california-airways.com/&gt;. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; It&#039;s been a pleasant experience -- the prices are reasonable (for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Bay Area), the planes well-maintained, there&#039;s a reasonable variety of &lt;br /&gt; &gt; planes available, and the people seem pretty good. I&#039;m in a similar &lt;br /&gt; &gt; sort of situation as you -- instrument rated and starting &lt;br /&gt; &gt; to do the commercial (or starting to think about doing it :-) ) -- and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; it&#039;s worked out well so far. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160;Hamish &#160;-- California Flying -- &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &lt;http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, for the response, I&#8217;ll check it out. Otherwise, the response to <br /> this post has been sadly minimal. The rates at CA Airways seem okay, <br /> though. One reason I prefer a club is insurance. Club policies usually <br /> name the members, and so you can&#8217;t be subrogated against. At an FBO <br /> I&#8217;ll need a policy of my own.  </p>
<p>&#8211; dave j  </p>
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<p>Hamish Reid wrote: <br /> &gt; In article &lt;1127278945.706102.123&#8230;@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt;, <br /> &gt; &nbsp;jacobowit&#8230;@yahoo.com wrote: <br /> 
<p>&gt; &gt; I just moved up to Berkeley, CA to attend grad school. Before that, I <br /> &gt; &gt; lived in Silicon Valley and flew out of Palo Alto. I&#8217;ve been flying <br /> &gt; &gt; with a club there, Sundance, since &#8217;99 or so and I&#8217;ve been pretty <br /> &gt; &gt; happy.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; But the drive to KPAO from Berkeley is a bit long. I&#8217;m looking to see <br /> &gt; &gt; if anybody has recommendations for clubs at KOAK or KCCR.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; About me: I&#8217;m an instrument-rated private pilot, with about 300 hours. <br /> &gt; &gt; I was working on my commercial rating when I moved. I&#8217;ve got about 15 <br /> &gt; &gt; hours complex time, all of that in a 172RG. For fooling around, I&#8217;ll <br /> &gt; &gt; take a 172 or an Archer, and for &quot;trying to get somehwere&quot; I usually <br /> &gt; &gt; opt for a C182.  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; I&#8217;m looking for a club with a variety of aircraft, low rates, good <br /> &gt; &gt; maintenance, decent enough avionics to make IFR practical, and <br /> &gt; &gt; connections w/ good instructors so I might finish my commercial. (which <br /> &gt; &gt; is admittedly on the back-burner with school on).  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; Any advice?  </p>
<p>&gt; It&#8217;s not a club per se, and it&#8217;s at Hayward (KHWD) rather than Oakland, <br /> &gt; but I now use California Airways, &lt;<a href="http://www.california-airways.com/&gt;" rel="nofollow">http://www.california-airways.com/&gt;</a>. <br /> &gt; It&#8217;s been a pleasant experience &#8212; the prices are reasonable (for the <br /> &gt; Bay Area), the planes well-maintained, there&#8217;s a reasonable variety of <br /> &gt; planes available, and the people seem pretty good. I&#8217;m in a similar <br /> &gt; sort of situation as you &#8212; instrument rated and starting <br /> &gt; to do the commercial (or starting to think about doing it <img src='http://www.foraviators.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) &#8212; and <br /> &gt; it&#8217;s worked out well so far.  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Hamish &nbsp;&#8211; California Flying &#8212; <br /> &gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&#038;gt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ylayali.com/yafb/blog.html&#038;gt</a>; </p>
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