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  &lt;p&gt;&gt;Frankfurt (EDDF) gives separations to the previous aircraft even if this &lt;br /&gt; &gt;one is for the alternate RWY. This is quite understandable since the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;lateral distance between both RWYs is much smaller then in Paris. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;I&#039;d like to know now what ICAO states about parallel approaches. What is &lt;br /&gt; &gt;the minimum lateral distance between the RWYs, that the approaches can be &lt;br /&gt; &gt;considered as independent separation wise? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Your observation is correct -- separation for parallel approaches is primarily &lt;br /&gt; dependent upon the distance between the runways. &#160;There is another factor that &lt;br /&gt; is considered, however -- the equipment and personnel available at the &lt;br /&gt; controller&#039;s end. &#160;What I&#039;m about to write is how it&#039;s done in the USA, which &lt;br /&gt; is about 90% compliant with ICAO on most things. &#160;However, in this case, I&#039;m &lt;br /&gt; not sure exactly what the ICAO standards are, but I imagine that although the &lt;br /&gt; numbers might be different, the ideas are probably the same. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The first major criteria is &quot;final monitors&quot;. &#160;Additional controllers must be &lt;br /&gt; plugged into a monitor position, one for each final which is being run &lt;br /&gt; parallel to another less than three miles away. &#160;These controllers don&#039;t &lt;br /&gt; actually &quot;work&quot; airplanes. &#160;If everything goes perfectly, they&#039;ll just sit &lt;br /&gt; there and never talk to a soul. &#160;However, should one aircraft stray too far &lt;br /&gt; from the approach course, the monitor controllers initiate instructions which &lt;br /&gt; assist the aircraft back to the courseline. &#160;If the aircraft strays too far, &lt;br /&gt; the affected monitors issue instructions to parallel aircraft which build and &lt;br /&gt; ensure separation (they take airplanes off the approach). &#160;Without monitors, &lt;br /&gt; finals less than three miles apart can&#039;t be run independently of each other. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;Monitors&quot; also require finals to be established on the final approach course &lt;br /&gt; WELL outside of the FAF. &#160;Sometimes monitors are not used because the &lt;br /&gt; controllers don&#039;t want to take aircraft out that far. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another major factor is the update rate of the ASR. &#160;Conventional ASR&#039;s update &lt;br /&gt; something like once every four seconds. &#160;&quot;Quick-look&quot; radars, like the one &lt;br /&gt; used at KRDU, can update once every second or even faster. &#160;Monitors are still &lt;br /&gt; required to run simultaneous parallel approaches, but the distance between the &lt;br /&gt; finals can be reduced. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for the distance required, 4300 feet between parallel runways is required &lt;br /&gt; for conventional monitors. &#160;Quick-look radar reduces this separation -- I &lt;br /&gt; believe the figure is as little as 2500 feet between parallel runways, but I&#039;m &lt;br /&gt; not sure. 2500 feet is the minimum for reduced separation on parallel finals &lt;br /&gt; (1.5 or 2 miles instead of 3). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;SR - ILM &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Frankfurt (EDDF) gives separations to the previous aircraft even if this <br /> &gt;one is for the alternate RWY. This is quite understandable since the <br /> &gt;lateral distance between both RWYs is much smaller then in Paris. <br /> &gt;I&#8217;d like to know now what ICAO states about parallel approaches. What is <br /> &gt;the minimum lateral distance between the RWYs, that the approaches can be <br /> &gt;considered as independent separation wise? </p>
<p>Your observation is correct &#8212; separation for parallel approaches is primarily <br /> dependent upon the distance between the runways. &nbsp;There is another factor that <br /> is considered, however &#8212; the equipment and personnel available at the <br /> controller&#8217;s end. &nbsp;What I&#8217;m about to write is how it&#8217;s done in the USA, which <br /> is about 90% compliant with ICAO on most things. &nbsp;However, in this case, I&#8217;m <br /> not sure exactly what the ICAO standards are, but I imagine that although the <br /> numbers might be different, the ideas are probably the same.  </p>
<p>The first major criteria is &quot;final monitors&quot;. &nbsp;Additional controllers must be <br /> plugged into a monitor position, one for each final which is being run <br /> parallel to another less than three miles away. &nbsp;These controllers don&#8217;t <br /> actually &quot;work&quot; airplanes. &nbsp;If everything goes perfectly, they&#8217;ll just sit <br /> there and never talk to a soul. &nbsp;However, should one aircraft stray too far <br /> from the approach course, the monitor controllers initiate instructions which <br /> assist the aircraft back to the courseline. &nbsp;If the aircraft strays too far, <br /> the affected monitors issue instructions to parallel aircraft which build and <br /> ensure separation (they take airplanes off the approach). &nbsp;Without monitors, <br /> finals less than three miles apart can&#8217;t be run independently of each other.  </p>
<p>&quot;Monitors&quot; also require finals to be established on the final approach course <br /> WELL outside of the FAF. &nbsp;Sometimes monitors are not used because the <br /> controllers don&#8217;t want to take aircraft out that far.  </p>
<p>Another major factor is the update rate of the ASR. &nbsp;Conventional ASR&#8217;s update <br /> something like once every four seconds. &nbsp;&quot;Quick-look&quot; radars, like the one <br /> used at KRDU, can update once every second or even faster. &nbsp;Monitors are still <br /> required to run simultaneous parallel approaches, but the distance between the <br /> finals can be reduced.  </p>
<p>As for the distance required, 4300 feet between parallel runways is required <br /> for conventional monitors. &nbsp;Quick-look radar reduces this separation &#8212; I <br /> believe the figure is as little as 2500 feet between parallel runways, but I&#8217;m <br /> not sure. 2500 feet is the minimum for reduced separation on parallel finals <br /> (1.5 or 2 miles instead of 3).  </p>
<p>SR &#8211; ILM </p>
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