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Re: Info needed on claiming business expenses

AOPA has a nice brochure on this (though I suspect now the
only way to get it is to have them mail it to you).

Anyway, an airplane isn’t really considered any different
from a car as far as tax purposes and legally as a private
pilot you can be reimbursed for all the costs associated
with your air travel.  I think your bigger threat here is
the IRS than the FAA.  The one big thing is that pilots tend
to better contemperaneous records (we all log our time and
maintenance) for the plane than we do in our car.

-Ron

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5 Responses to “Re: Info needed on claiming business expenses”

  1. admin says:

    Good Day to all –

    One of the reasons I got mylicense and bought my plane is to use it when I
    need to go out of town on business.  I own my own business (which is
    incorporated) and would like to "write off" some of the expense of flying.

    I know of the FAR’s concerning this say I can accept payment from "others" to
    contribute towards expenses, but what if I’m just flying myself?  Can I claim
    as expense the cost of fuel, tiedowns, etc.  What about a portion of my
    hanger, insurance, etc.

    In other words, how do you pilots out there that own your own plane and
    business go about this (if you do), and still stay within the regulations.

    Thanks!


    Terry Pickering                                    CompuGroup, Inc.
    compu…@teleport.com                              10101 SW Barbur, #203
    picker…@4j.lane.edu                              Portland, OR 97219
    http://www.teleport.com/~compugrp                              
    IZCC# 704    Cessna 172 – N999QA                   (503) 245-7178

  2. admin says:

    Ron Natalie wrote:

    > AOPA has a nice brochure on this (though I suspect now the
    > only way to get it is to have them mail it to you).

    > Anyway, an airplane isn’t really considered any different
    > from a car as far as tax purposes and legally as a private
    > pilot you can be reimbursed for all the costs associated
    > with your air travel.  I think your bigger threat here is
    > the IRS than the FAA.  The one big thing is that pilots tend
    > to better contemperaneous records (we all log our time and
    > maintenance) for the plane than we do in our car.

    > -Ron

    But how do you figure "all the costs associated …."  The "hard costs" such
    as fuel, oil, etc is easy.  But in addition, I set aside $7.50 per hour for
    annual, plus $100 per month (my 1/3 share) for insurance and hanger.  Then
    there was my initial cost to buy into the plane, so do I figure depreciation?

    I’ll contact AOPA and ask for that brochure.  Thanks for your suggestion


    Terry Pickering                                    CompuGroup, Inc.
    compu…@teleport.com                              10101 SW Barbur, #203
    picker…@4j.lane.edu                              Portland, OR 97219
    http://www.teleport.com/~compugrp                              
    IZCC# 704    Cessna 172 – N999QA                   (503) 245-7178

  3. admin says:

    In article <3214B5AC.2…@teleport.com>, Terry Pickering

    <compu…@teleport.com> wrote:
    > Good Day to all –

    > One of the reasons I got mylicense and bought my plane is to use it when I
    > need to go out of town on business.  I own my own business (which is
    > incorporated) and would like to "write off" some of the expense of flying.

    > I know of the FAR’s concerning this say I can accept payment from "others" to
    > contribute towards expenses, but what if I’m just flying myself?  Can I claim
    > as expense the cost of fuel, tiedowns, etc.  What about a portion of my
    > hanger, insurance, etc.

    It’s best to separate this into two different categories: What the IRS
    cares about, and what the FAA cares about.  The IRS only cares about
    getting as much of your money as possible, and I don’t know much about
    doing deductions.  (Heck, I don’t make enough money for it to matter
    much!)

    As for what the *FAA* cares about, that’s another issue entirely.
    Basically, as a private pilot, you’re not allowed to fly passengers or
    property for compensation or hire, per FAR 61.118.  HOWEVER… it says
    "Except as provided in paragraphs (a) though (d)."

    And here’s what paragraph (a) says: "A private pilot may, for compensation
    or hire, act as PIC of an aircraft in connection with any business or
    employment if that flight is only incidental to that business or
    employment and the aircraft does not carry passengers or property for
    compensation or hire."

    Your going-out-of-town-for-business is EXACTLY what that exception had in
    mind, so you’re fine.  At least with the FAA.  :-)


    Garner R. Miller, Flight Instructor
    Hawthorne Aviation – Ocala, Florida

    *WARNING* — NO JUNK MAIL.  Spam will be returned hundredfold.

  4. admin says:

    oops!  Be very careful here.  What you put away for future repairs is
    not a cost of operation, it is a savings plan.

    Your costs are actual, not anticipated.  Whey you make your monthly
    mortgage payment on your home and include a payment to tax escrow, you
    don’t deduct that, you only deduct the actual taxes.  Your engine
    reserve is not an expense.

    Secondly, if you take depreciation, you better be in a position to show
    that the plane was used almost exclusively for business purposes, and
    when you sell it, you will have to reduce your basis by the
    depreciation, making for a whopping capital gains tax bite.  General
    rule is you don’t depreciate an asset that is appreciating in value.

  5. admin says:

    > But how do you figure "all the costs associated …."  The "hard costs" such
    > as fuel, oil, etc is easy.  But in addition, I set aside $7.50 per hour for
    > annual, plus $100 per month (my 1/3 share) for insurance and hanger.  Then
    > there was my initial cost to buy into the plane, so do I figure depreciation?

    Things are generally deductible as you pay them.  Reserves and borrowing
    money
    do not figure into the equation (though interest may be an expense or
    income
    depending on which way it is going).  Generally, you depreciate that
    percentage
    of the asset that you are using for the business and this is done on a
    schedule
    that your accountant will surely know.  

    -Ron







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