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Re: Psychosexual aspects of boy/older male relationships

"jsrv08" <Anonymous-Remai…@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message

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>A scientific study of sexual encounters of boys with older males
> is being undertaken. If you had one or more such experiences and
> would like to participate, please go to http://www.juvm.info

Hey Asshole, pedophiles should be drawn, quartered and burned.

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DW

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18 Responses to “Re: Psychosexual aspects of boy/older male relationships”

  1. admin says:

    On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:31:32 -0500, "Darkwing"
    <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
    <1-idnfyDS-uXYTveRVn…@giganews.com>::

    > pedophiles should be drawn, quartered and burned.

    Send that message in a Xmas card to the Vatican.  :-)

  2. admin says:

    >> pedophiles should be drawn, quartered and burned.

    ("Larry Dighera" wrote)

    > Send that message in a Xmas card to the Vatican.  :-)

    Be sure to also send one to men posting on the web – with their home
    computers.  :-)

    Montblack

  3. admin says:

    On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:32:04 -0600, "Montblack"
    <Y4-NOT…4monty4bla…@yvisiy.com> wrote in
    <11qe2j7qekpd…@corp.supernews.com>::

    >>> pedophiles should be drawn, quartered and burned.

    >("Larry Dighera" wrote)
    >> Send that message in a Xmas card to the Vatican.  :-)

    >Be sure to also send one to men posting on the web – with their home
    >computers.  :-)

    While that too is abhorrent, image posting doesn’t betray the devout
    trust (miss)placed in the self-righteous clergy.

  4. admin says:

    Do you have some study that suggests that clergy are more likely to be
    scum than school teachers, police officers, day care providers or
    anyone else in a highly trusted position? Amoung greats you will often
    find a few that seem to exist to suck perfectly good O2 that the rest
    of us could be breathing. I’m not sure there is a specific profession
    more highly represented.

    -Robert

  5. admin says:

    On 19 Dec 2005 13:23:50 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" <r…@my-deja.com>
    wrote in <1135027430.880448.55…@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>::

    >Do you have some study that suggests that clergy …

    You’ll find some information here:

    http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/

    Archdiocese sets $10.5m fund-raising goal
    By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff
    The Archdiocese of Boston said yesterday that it will try to raise
    $10.5 million over the next year, up slightly from last year’s
    fund-raising goal, but still down significantly since the start of the
    clergy sexual abuse crisis.

    Closing parishes  
     Facing a budget crunch, the archdiocese is preparing to close
    numerous churches.  Full coverage

    Church reaches $85 million settlement with victims

    http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/law_resigns/

    ——————————————————————————–
    December 14
    ——————————————————————————–
     Cardinal Law resigns
    By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff
    The tarnished career of one of America’s most prominent churchmen came
    to an ignominious end on December 13 as Cardinal Bernard F. Law,
    meeting with Pope John Paul II in Rome, resigned as archbishop of
    Boston.
     Sexual abuse scandal eclipses a far-reaching record
     In cardinal’s final days, a firestorm ignites
     Admission of awareness on abuse damning for Law
     Rare speed displayed by Vatican in acting on Law

    http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories3/121402_impact.htm
    Patterns of abuse found nationwide

      The US cases  
    Nineteen Roman Catholic bishops, nine of them Americans, have resigned
    since 1990 in the context of sex scandals.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Cardinal Bernard Law, archbishop of Boston, yesterday, after months of
    criticism for his mishandling of sex abuse charges against priests.
    ——————————————————————————–
    The late Archbishop Eugene Marino of Atlanta, in 1990, upon admitting
    involvement with a female parishioner.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Auxiliary Bishop James McCarthy of New York, on June 11, after
    apologizing for affairs with adult women.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Bishop Anthony O’Connell of Palm Beach, Fla., in March, after
    admitting repeated abuse of an underage student at the Missouri
    seminary he led.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Archbishop Robert Sanchez of Santa Fe, N.M., in 1993, after confessing
    relationships with adult women.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Bishop J. Keith Symons, O’Connell’s predecessor in Palm Beach, in
    1998, after admitting past molestation of five boys in three parishes.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Archbishop Rembert Weakland of Milwaukee, following May 23 news that
    his archdiocese paid $450,000 to a man claiming Weakland attempted to
    sexually assault him. Weakland admitted an "inappropriate
    relationship" but denied abuse.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Bishop J. Kendrick Williams of Lexington, Ky., on June 11, following
    allegations he abused two minors and an 18-year-old decades ago, which
    Williams denied.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Bishop G. Patrick Ziemann of Santa Rosa, Calif., in 1999, when a
    priest claimed sexual coercion after Ziemann learned he had stolen
    parish funds. Ziemann said their relationship was consensual.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Source: Associated Press  

    Like jarring aftershocks from a mighty earthquake, Boston’s clergy
    sexual abuse scandal has registered around the world, provoking what
    some scholars have called the worst crisis in the Catholic Church in
    500 years.

    Within weeks of Globe reports in January about the Archdiocese of
    Boston’s secret settlement of child molestation claims against at
    least 70 priests, dioceses around the country were forced to confront
    the consequences of their own policies about sexually abusive
    clergymen.

    What they found opened a chasm between many faithful Catholics and
    those they had trusted to lead their church.

    The clerical sex abuse scandal swiftly reached from New Hampshire to
    California, from Arizona to Pennsylvania. It resonated in Ireland and
    Mexico and Poland, the homeland of Pope John Paul II, who was forced
    to make it the focus of his attention.

    By March, Bishop Anthony J. O’Connell of Palm Beach, Fla., had
    resigned in disgrace after he acknowledged sexually abusing a teenage
    seminarian more than 25 years before when the student had sought his
    counseling.

    Polls showed a growing majority of Catholics were critical of the way
    their church was handling the crisis and demanded that the problem get
    immediate attention.

    Confidentiality deals to settle lawsuits, designed to contain the
    church’s scandal and maintain privacy for embarrassed victims, began
    to evaporate as those who had been attacked became irate to learn that
    those who had assaulted them had been put in positions where they
    could attack others.

    By April, dozens of priests from 17 US dioceses had been ousted or
    suspended in cases of sexual abuse.

    By summer, the nation’s bishops had pledged to remove every abusive
    priest from ministry and promised a policy of openness that they
    struggled to deliver.

    By the end of the year, at least 325 of the country’s 46,000 priests
    had resigned or been stripped of their ministry, according to a survey
    by the Associated Press.

    Earlier this week, the Diocese of New Hampshire became the first in
    the nation to admit it may have violated criminal law by failing to
    protect children from sexually abusive priests. Faced with the
    likelihood that the diocese would be indicted on multiple counts of
    violating New Hampshire’s child endangerment statute, Bishop John B.
    McCormack signed a legal agreement acknowledging that law enforcement
    officials had enough evidence to win a conviction.

    The scandal has forced out bishops in New York, Wisconsin, Kentucky,
    and Florida. Those bishops, unlike Law, resigned after personally
    being accused of sexual misconduct.

    And now it has claimed the archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Bernard F.
    Law – the man who had come to personify the scandal.

    ”This has jolted the foundations of the church in the United States
    and the shock waves will ripple out for years to come,” said author
    Jason Berry, whose reporting helped expose the abuse of children by
    priests in Louisiana as early as 1985. ”We’ve seen a crisis in the
    Catholic Church which rivals the Reformation centuries ago.”

    Almost immediately after the Boston scandal broke, one of Law’s former
    top lieutenants, Bishop Thomas V. Daily, was confronted with fresh
    complaints that he had brushed aside sexual abuse allegations against
    one of Daily’s pastors in Brooklyn, N.Y., where Daily now leads the
    nation’s fifth-largest diocese.

    Reports in Boston portrayed Daily as one of the principal architects
    of the coverup of pedophile priest John J. Geoghan’s assaults on
    children. And in the early days of this year’s crisis, Daily resisted
    demands from law enforcement agencies that he deliver the names of
    priests accused of sexual abuse going back 20 years.

    By mid-April, Daily, a native of Belmont, had relented, promising full
    cooperation. By September, Daily had reached retirement age and had
    submitted his letter of resignation to the pope. A month later, 42
    people filed a child sexual abuse lawsuit against his diocese.

    Daily is among the former Boston bishops to receive grand jury
    subpoenas as part of the investigation that is examining possible
    criminal violations by church leaders who supervised sexually abusive
    priests.

    In city after city, as officials reviewed personnel files and rewrote
    policies regarding sexual abuse by clergy, more priests stood accused
    and more damning documents were uncovered.

    The Rev. Thomas P. Doyle, a victims’ advocate who cowrote a study of
    clergy sexual abuse for the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in 1985,
    said those documents have distinguished the clergy abuse scandal from
    those of the early 1980s and 1990s.

    ”For the first time, people saw the damn documents right in their
    face,” said Doyle. ”That started a process that I thought I would
    never live to see, which was the rather quick awakening of the laity
    and the rapid shattering of the wall of denial that had existed in the
    church. Law will not be the last one to go because there has to be a
    whole new way of doing business.”

    In February, when the Archdiocese of Philadelphia – the seventh
    largest in the nation with 1.4 million Catholics – found credible
    evidence that 35 priests sexually abused about 50 children, several
    still in their church jobs were dismissed. Church leaders scoured
    personnel records dating to 1950, and Philadelphia Cardinal Anthony J.
    Bevilacqua apologized and established a commission on clergy sexual
    abuse.

    In April, when the Rev. Donald Rooney was called by his superiors at
    the Archdiocese of Cleveland to discuss allegations that he had
    sexually abused a young girl in 1980, he never showed up for the
    meeting. Instead, authorities said the 48-year-old priest drove to a
    drugstore parking lot and shot himself in the head. Rooney left behind
    a one-sentence note, instructing those who found his body about how to
    locate his sister.

    In August, two Connecticut pastors in the Bridgeport diocese were
    ordered by Bishop William E. Lori to perform ”public penance” after
    they failed to report the location of another priest sought on charges
    of child sexual abuse.

    In September, the Society of Jesus in California reached a $7.5
    million settlement with two mentally

    read more »

  6. admin says:

    >>by Larry Dighera <LDigh…@att.net> Dec 19, 2005 at 09:40 PM

    On 19 Dec 2005 13:23:50 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" <r…@my-deja.com>
    wrote in <1135027430.880448.55…@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>::

    >Do you have some study that suggests that clergy …

    You’ll find some information here:

    http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/

    Archdiocese sets $10.5m fund-raising goal
    By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff
    The Archdiocese of Boston said yesterday that it will try to raise
    $10.5 million over the next year, up slightly from last year’s
    fund-raising goal, but still down significantly since the start of the
    clergy sexual abuse crisis.

    Closing parishes  
     Facing a budget crunch, the archdiocese is preparing to close
    numerous churches.  Full coverage

    Church reaches $85 million settlement with victims<<

    Interesting that the same press the pilots so roundly criticize anytime
    they report anything regarding aviation, particularly GA, now becomes an
    authoritative source.  

    Did it ever occur that to you that the same type of
    exagerrations/sensationalizing may be occuring in the reporting of this
    scandal?  

  7. admin says:

    Here is the same authoritative source (Boston Globe), reporting on GA noise
    issues:

    Neighbors, pilots feud over noise in the skies
    By Kathleen Burge, Globe Staff  |  June 27, 2004

    AYER — The view from David McCoy’s porch is spectacular, stretching from
    farmland that has sifted through generations of his wife’s family to the
    blue hills across the Nashoba Valley.

    But some days, McCoy abandons the wide expanse of porch for a tiny,
    windowless room in the basement of his log cabin. In this subterranean
    refuge, furnished with a desk and a single chair, the walls are packed
    with concrete.

    McCoy says he is driven to the sparse space by the noise of small planes
    hovering over his house, stunt pilots spiraling beneath the clouds or new
    pilots practicing their turns.

    "It’s not the most extravagant room," he said of the sanctuary he built
    for about $3,000. "But it’s a place to get away to."

    The newest battle lines over the noise of airplane engines are drawn far
    from the runways of Logan International Airport. In towns like Ayer,
    Groton, and Chelmsford, the friction has escalated into a bitter feud over
    rights, pitting neighbors who complain they can no longer enjoy their homes
    against pilots who argue that they are legally in the skies above their
    heads.

    McCoy and his wife, Amy, along with several of their Ayer neighbors, are
    suing four pilots and two aviation companies that they say have flown
    repeatedly and noisily above their homes. Another group of residents in
    the area angered by the noise has filed repeated complaints and petitions
    with the Federal Aviation Administration, mostly without success.

    The residents say they’re not targeting commercial airlines that carry
    passengers and supplies, or military flights. Until the Army base at Fort
    Devens closed in 1995, the area was home to Moore Airfield. But the
    neighbors argue that they shouldn’t have to suffer the noisy burden of
    recreational flyers who practice every day the weather is nice, often
    starting by 8 a.m., by flying over their houses again and again.

    "They’re not providing any vital national resources," said Bill Burgoyne
    of Townsend, president of Stop the Noise, a group created to fight the
    airplane noise. "These guys are going out there, tearing up the sky, and,
    as they call it, punching holes in clouds."

    Burgoyne argues that pilots performing acrobatic stunts and flight
    training should be required to get permission from landowners below before
    they fly.

    That argument deeply alarms the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association,
    the world’s largest aviation group, which has been tracking the lawsuits
    and the efforts of Burgoyne’s group. Jeff Myers, the group’s executive
    vice president of communications, argues that the pilots are legally
    flying above residents’ homes, at least 1,500 feet from the ground.

    The lawsuit is the first he has seen, he said, in which neighbors are
    suing individual pilots. The neighbors’ complaints are unreasonable, he
    argues, and if the lawsuit succeeds, the precedent would damage not only
    aviation rights but make it easier to file lawsuits to quell any
    neighborhood noise.

    "We all live next door to a neighbor where there’s a crying baby or a lawn
    mower or a leaf blower," Myers said. "All these things would be at risk if
    somebody could simply say, ‘Hey, you’re too noisy. I’m going after you.’
    "

    Myers said his group encourages pilots to "fly friendly," and show
    sensitivity to the residents who live below. In Florida, for instance, the
    group urges pilots not to practice landing their seaplanes repeatedly on
    the same lakes. But he doesn’t hide his disdain for the lawsuit.

    "It’s really just a matter of some cranky people with too much time and
    money on their hands," Myers said. His group is helping defend the pilots
    who have been sued.

    The fractious relations among some pilots and landowners have spawned a
    new group that hopes to find some common ground. Pilot Peter Schmidt
    founded the Sudbury-based American Free Skies Association after he
    realized that landowners frustrated with the noise didn’t have a forum to
    voice their concerns.

    While defending pilots’ freedom to fly, the group also hopes to find
    solutions to appease some of the landowners. Schmidt sees the group’s
    first task as working to improve communication among residents and
    pilots.

    He is worried that the dispute has become dangerously polarized, with some
    on both sides staking out unreasonable positions, such as banning
    recreational flying altogether or ignoring landowners’ complaints
    entirely.

    Schmidt hopes his group can create a model for resolving airplane noise
    disputes around the country. "This concern with noise is one that is not
    only local to the 495 area around Boston but is something that is emerging
    around the country," he said.

    In Ayer, Groton, and other nearby towns, the problems began after Fort
    Devens shut down and Moore Airfield closed, opening up airspace above
    nearby homes. In areas that were largely residential or rural, "now people
    had set up basically industrial activity overhead," Burgoyne said.

    His group recently filed an unsuccessful petition with the FAA to increase
    the size of identification numbers on planes, so residents below can more
    easily identify the pilots above. The identifying numbers allow them to
    complain to the FAA about specific pilots they believe are flying too
    low.

    Since the Ayer residents filed their lawsuit last year, they say, many of
    the stunt pilots no longer fly above their homes. But the flight training
    continues, they say, with dozens of planes circling seven days a week when
    the weather is clear. They don’t object to the pilots flying over their
    homes, traveling a direct path the way commercial planes fly. What they
    don’t like are student flyers and pilots who circle their neighborhood,
    practicing aerobatic stunts or maneuvers.

    "We’re going to start going away for the weekends, just to get away from
    the noise a little bit," David McCoy said.

    Robert F. Casey Jr., McCoy’s neighbor and the lawyer who filed the
    lawsuit, first bought earplugs to block out the noise of the planes. When
    that didn’t work, he also built a soundproof room in his house. But even
    once inside, he can still hear the planes.

    "The lawsuit claims that residents should be entitled to some peace and
    quiet," he said. "There are some good-hearted [pilots] in that group that
    do understand. [But] there’s a core that says, ‘The heck with you.’ "

  8. admin says:

    You failed to list the cases against teachers, firefighters, policy
    officers. I don’t think you’ve established that this is something more
    common with clergy. I’m not sure if it is or not.

    -Robert

  9. admin says:

    "Skylune" <live-ski-or-…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

    news:05b6ce4325ba20b026fd1aeda34ce593@localhost.talkaboutaviation.com…

    > Here is the same authoritative source (Boston Globe), reporting on GA
    noise
    > issues:

    > Neighbors, pilots feud over noise in the skies
    > By Kathleen Burge, Globe Staff  |  June 27, 2004

    Posting this under a completely unrelated topic is not very bright.

  10. admin says:

    >>by "Tom Conner" <tcon…@olopha.net> Dec 20, 2005 at 06:06 PM
    "Skylune" <live-ski-or-…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

    news:05b6ce4325ba20b026fd1aeda34ce593@localhost.talkaboutaviation.com…

    > Here is the same authoritative source (Boston Globe), reporting on GA
    noise
    > issues:

    > Neighbors, pilots feud over noise in the skies
    > By Kathleen Burge, Globe Staff  |  June 27, 2004

    Posting this under a completely unrelated topic is not very bright.<<

    Maybe not.

    It’s just funny that the same media outlet (in this case The Boston Globe)
    that had some pilots fuming (because of a reporter’s lack of knowledge on
    some technical item concerning GA) now becomes an accurate and valid
    source of info on this highly charged issue.  

    It kinda reminds me of AOPA logic.  For example, user fees:  they argue
    simultaneously that (1) GA uses very few FAA services and therefore user
    fees are not necessary and (2) user fees would impose a ruinous financial
    burden on the GA industry and reduce safety (because pilots might be less
    inclined to use ATC, flight following, etc.)   This is weird and
    disingenous reasoning.  

    The stupid TV commercials scheduled to run on the weather channel will
    have no influence on the public’s opinion of GA, and is just another waste
    of member dues.  

  11. admin says:

    >>>because of a reporter’s lack of knowledge on some technical item concerning GA<<<

    It happens all the time.

    >>>GA uses very few FAA services and therefore user fees are not necessary<<<

    That’s not just BS it’s true for the most part. VFR aircraft use
    few(er) services. GA already pays fees based on fuel taxes. The more
    you fly the more you pay. What part of that don’t you understand? If GA
    disappeared tomorrow the FAA would still have to support the system for
    the airlines (the reason the system exists in the first place)

    >>>This is weird and disingenous reasoning.<<<

    Please explain this.

    >>>The stupid TV commercials scheduled to run on the weather channel will have no influence on the public’s opinion of GA, and is just another waste of member dues<<<

    Strictly your opinion here, although I’m sure Phil Boyer appreciates
    your concern  : )

  12. admin says:

    Belfort Instrument Company DigiWx AWOS – Have any been commissioned by
    the FAA – And if so, for how long will that last?

    I was browsing the locations of DigiWx weather systems from Belfort’s
    homepage and wondered how many were actually commissioned by the FAA as
    AWOS units. So I started at the beginning of the alphabet and then
    started contacting the listed airports and it wasn’t until I got to
    letter "G" for Greenville airport that I finally found a DigiWx AWOS.
    But as it turns out, there was a wicked twist.The first 9 listed
    DigiWx’s (A thru F) are not even AWOS units at all. Imagine that! Then
    the next riveting revelation was that Belfort installed a DigiWx AWOS
    at Greenville but the FAA has not yet commissioned the system. It seems
    that Belfort has not yet gotten their in-house tech support manager
    licensed by the FCC. I asked Greenville what happens if the tech
    support manager loses his license or quits and moves on. They didn’t
    know. One would have to guess the AWOS would then fall out of
    commission! Greenville told me that Lake in the Hills airport is in the
    same boat. So I called them and inquired. Lake in the Hills has had
    their DigiWx AWOS since May 2005 and it has never been commissioned by
    the FAA either! How can this be? Belfort Instrument Company claims to
    have their DigiWx AWOS system FAA Approved yet there are none
    commissioned by the FAA in the field (after I proceeded on down the
    alphabet to end with William T. Piper Memorial airport). Isn’t FAA
    Approval and FAA commissioning the same thing? Why would anyone want
    one of these non-commissioned systems sitting around on their airport
    gathering dust?

    And then there is the matter of which DigiWx locations are actually
    online. On the Belfort homepage, they list hyperlinks for 10 of their
    weather stations:

    Baltimore Marine Center (BALTM), Baltimore, Maryland
    Belen Alexander Airport (E80), Belen, New Mexico
    Buckeye Airport (BXK), Buckeye, Arizona
    Coral Creek Airport (FA54), Placida, FL (live web cam)
    Greenville Airport (GRE), Greenville, Illinois
    Moriarty Airport (0E0), Moriarty, New Mexico
    Ocean City Airport (26N), Ocean City, New Jersey
    Sandia Airpark (1N1), Edgewood, New Mexico (live web cam)
    University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center (HMIEM), Baltimore, Maryland
    William T. Piper Memorial Airport (LHV), Lock Haven, Pennsylvania

    Try clicking one of the hyperlinks because fully half of the hyperlinks
    display "Current Data  NOT available" How reliable is that? Do you want
    want at your airport? One has to wonder who has been "pulling the wool"
    over the eyes of those at the listed airports? At this rate, Belfort
    won’t celebate a 110 year anniversary or a 130 year anniversary
    depending upon whom you believe when Belfort claims their company was
    founded in 1876 even though Julian Friez never made it to Baltimore
    until at least 1890 to set up shop! If you haven’t read that thread
    yet, just follow this hyperlink:

    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=belfort+julian+friez&hl=en

  13. admin says:

    Bye …. plonk …. you know what that means ?  It means you’re finished.
    "awos" <awos_a…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

    news:1134836888.381730.146320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com…

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    > I’m surprised Belfort Instrument Company hasn’t yet claimed to have
    > been the "first" weather station on the moon considering all the other
    > fantastic assertions they have made.

    > And here is another:

    > Belfort Instrument Company DigiWx AWOS – Have any been commissioned by
    > the FAA – And if so, for how long will that last?

    > I was browsing the locations of DigiWx weather systems from Belfort’s
    > homepage and wondered how many were actually commissioned by the FAA as
    > AWOS units. So I started at the beginning of the alphabet and then
    > started contacting the listed airports and it wasn’t until I got to
    > letter "G" for Greenville airport that I finally found a DigiWx AWOS.
    > But as it turns out, there was a wicked twist.The first 9 listed
    > DigiWx’s (A thru F) are not even AWOS units at all. Imagine that! Then
    > the next riveting revelation was that Belfort installed a DigiWx AWOS
    > at Greenville but the FAA has not yet commissioned the system. It seems
    > that Belfort has not yet gotten their in-house tech support manager
    > licensed by the FCC. I asked Greenville what happens if the tech
    > support manager loses his license or quits and moves on. They didn’t
    > know. One would have to guess the AWOS would then fall out of
    > commission! Greenville told me that Lake in the Hills airport is in the
    > same boat. So I called them and inquired. Lake in the Hills has had
    > their DigiWx AWOS since May 2005 and it has never been commissioned by
    > the FAA either! How can this be? Belfort Instrument Company claims to
    > have their DigiWx AWOS system FAA Approved yet there are none
    > commissioned by the FAA in the field (after I proceeded on down the
    > alphabet to end with William T. Piper Memorial airport). Isn’t FAA
    > Approval and FAA commissioning the same thing? Why would anyone want
    > one of these non-commissioned systems sitting around on their airport
    > gathering dust?

    > And then there is the matter of which DigiWx locations are actually
    > online. On the Belfort homepage, they list hyperlinks for 10 of their
    > weather stations:

    > Baltimore Marine Center (BALTM), Baltimore, Maryland
    > Belen Alexander Airport (E80), Belen, New Mexico
    > Buckeye Airport (BXK), Buckeye, Arizona
    > Coral Creek Airport (FA54), Placida, FL (live web cam)
    > Greenville Airport (GRE), Greenville, Illinois
    > Moriarty Airport (0E0), Moriarty, New Mexico
    > Ocean City Airport (26N), Ocean City, New Jersey
    > Sandia Airpark (1N1), Edgewood, New Mexico (live web cam)
    > University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center (HMIEM), Baltimore, Maryland
    > William T. Piper Memorial Airport (LHV), Lock Haven, Pennsylvania

    > Try clicking one of the hyperlinks because fully half of the hyperlinks
    > display "Current Data  NOT available" How reliable is that? Do you want
    > want at your airport? One has to wonder who has been "pulling the wool"
    > over the eyes of those at the listed airports? At this rate, Belfort
    > won’t celebate a 110 year anniversary or a 130 year anniversary
    > depending upon whom you believe when Belfort claims their company was
    > founded in 1876 even though Julian Friez never made it to Baltimore
    > until at least 1890 to set up shop! If you haven’t read that thread
    > yet, just follow this hyperlink:

    > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=belfort+julian+friez&hl=en

  14. admin says:

    We were considering a DigiWx AWOS and a SuperAWOS. I was sold on DigiWx
    AWOS until I started talking with DigiWx users who had the DigiWx VOICE
    option including Huntington UT, Annapolis MD, Monticello UT and Ocan
    City, NJ after I saw the comparison at
    http://www.superawos.com/feature_comparison.htm. SuperAWOS told me I
    wouldn’t find any happy users and I didn’t!

    All four airports report DigiWx VOICE as not working greater than 90%
    of the time. I did hear one user say that DigiWx had mic clicks
    available. But SuperAWOS say DigiWx mic clicks is not automatically
    adaptive — only manually adaptive which means there has to be
    somebody available to alter the message length on an Automated Unicom
    transmission.

    Considering all the other things I have been hearing about DigiWx and
    the Belfort Instrument Company, I believe we will be pursuing the
    SuperAWOS product instead even though it costs more. But like someone
    already said, buy SHIT and you’ll have SHIT! We don’t want any DigiWx
    turds around on our airport!

  15. admin says:

    We were considering a DigiWx AWOS and a SuperAWOS. I was sold on DigiWx
    AWOS until I started talking with DigiWx users who had the DigiWx VOICE
    option including Huntington UT, Annapolis MD, Monticello UT and Ocean
    City, NJ after I saw the comparison at
    http://www.superawos.com/feature_comparison.htm. SuperAWOS told me I
    wouldn’t find any happy users and I didn’t!

    All four airports report DigiWx VOICE as not working greater than 90%
    of the time. I did hear one user say that DigiWx had mic clicks
    available. But SuperAWOS say DigiWx mic clicks is not automatically
    adaptive — only manually adaptive which means there has to be
    somebody available to alter the message length on an Automated Unicom
    transmission.

    Considering all the other things I have been hearing about DigiWx and
    the Belfort Instrument Company, I believe we will be pursuing the
    SuperAWOS product instead even though it costs more. But like someone
    already said, buy SHIT and you’ll have SHIT! We don’t want any DigiWx
    turds around on our airport!

  16. admin says:

    >. But like someone
    > already said, buy SHIT and you’ll have SHIT! We don’t want any DigiWx
    > turds around on our airport!

    You mean like YOU already said. Please stop replying to your own posts and
    pretending to be someone else. Any idiot can trace headers and they ALL
    point back to the same individual.

    Initially you may have swayed people into listening to your false claims,
    but you surely blew any credibility now.

    All similar fake identies:
    1.) awos (awos_a…@yahoo.com)
    2.) andrepast…@okfrance.com
    3.) boycottbelf…@okparis.com
    4.) all_awos_are_not_created_equal_to…@homework.com
    5.) yall_awos_are_not_created_eq…@homework.com
    <yall_awos_are_not_created_eq…@homework.com>
    6.) deckerpec…@merseymail.com
    7.) sinkingcomp…@titanic.net

  17. admin says:

    Yeah, whatever you say Mr. WxForecaster (who can’t read headers)!

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    wxforecaster wrote:
    > >. But like someone
    > > already said, buy SHIT and you’ll have SHIT! We don’t want any DigiWx
    > > turds around on our airport!

    > You mean like YOU already said. Please stop replying to your own posts and
    > pretending to be someone else. Any idiot can trace headers and they ALL
    > point back to the same individual.

    > Initially you may have swayed people into listening to your false claims,
    > but you surely blew any credibility now.

    > All similar fake identies:
    > 1.) awos (awos_a…@yahoo.com)
    > 2.) andrepast…@okfrance.com
    > 3.) boycottbelf…@okparis.com
    > 4.) all_awos_are_not_created_equal_to…@homework.com
    > 5.) yall_awos_are_not_created_eq…@homework.com
    > <yall_awos_are_not_created_eq…@homework.com>
    > 6.) deckerpec…@merseymail.com
    > 7.) sinkingcomp…@titanic.net

    Newsgroups: ne.weather, rec.aviation.products, rec.aviation.piloting,
    sci.geo.meteorology
    From: sinkingcomp…@titanic.net
    Date: 23 Dec 2005 19:56:48 -0800
    Local: Fri, Dec 23 2005 10:56 pm
    Subject: Scrooge: Christmas at Belfort Instruments

    With everything that I have heard about Belfort, I would think people
    should wonder who owns this company. Personally, I thought it was
    SCROOGE.  A search at http://www.nasdaq.com revealed "No matches found"
    for Belfort Instrument Inc. So the company must be privately-held.

    A search at
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Belfort+Instrument+Inc+owner

    revealed:

    Reissue Applications Notice – OG Date: 26 February 200226, 2001, Cl.
    340/601, PORTABLE METEOROLOGICAL INFORMATION SYSTEM, Bruce R. Robinson,
    Owner of Record: Belfort Instrument, Inc., Baltimore, MD, …
    http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/og/2002/week09/patreis.htm

    Then, a search at
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Bruce+R.+Robinson&btnG=Search
    showed:

    UtiliPoint International, Inc.
    Bruce R. Robinson Chairman. Mr. Robinson is the senior corporate
    officer Responsible for strategic planning … Bruce R. Robinson.
    Contact Bruce
    Robinson … http://www.utilipoint.com/team/robinson.asp  with a link to
    http://www.quickstrategy.com

    Strategy Advisors (http://www.quickstrategy.com/advisors.jsp) include:
    Mr. Robinson who has authored "Strategic Acquisitions: A Guide to
    Growing and Enhancing the Value of Your Business, and QuickStrategy: A
    Proven Method to Focus and Guide Your Business in Rapidly Changing
    Markets."

    It makes one wonder if he reads his own books!  If he had, he’d know
    that Belfort Instruments is in the fast lane to nowhere!

    Newsgroups: rec.aviation.products, ne.weather, sci.geo.meteorology,
    rec.aviation.piloting
    From: deckerpec…@merseymail.com
    Date: 26 Dec 2005 18:29:15 -0800
    Local: Mon, Dec 26 2005 9:29 pm
    Subject: What is REALLY going on at Belfort Instument? Maybe this
    information sheds some light on it!

    When one does some researching on topics such as Belfort Instrument,
    some interesting things are found!  Thus, please take a look for
    yourself, and see what you think!  Sometimes things are different than
    they would expect to appear!

    Bruce R. Robinson http://www.utilipoint.com/team/robinson.asp says he
    "co-owns two electronic instrument companies in addition to his
    investment in UtiliPoint."

    Nicholas C. Kaufman http://www.quickstrategy.com/advisors.jsp says he
    "is co-owner of two small manufacturing companies."

    Are Bruce R. Robinson and Nicholas C. Kaufman co-owners of the same two
    companies?

    http://www.belfortinstrument.com/aboutbelfort.html lists:

    http://www.advancedretro.com/
    http://www.udtinstruments.com/
    http://www.digiwx.com

    and

    http://www.gamma-sci.com/

    Are the Belfort Instrument Company and Gamma Scientific the two
    companies that Bruce R. Robinson and Nicholas C. Kaufman co-own
    together?

    Did Nick read the books that Bruce authored?

    And then Guest Columnist Bruce R. Robinson writes:

    "Ten wrong turns to avoid on the road to success"

    http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2004/04/12/smallb3.html

    So how many wrong turns has Belfort Instrument Company and Gamma
    Scientific taken?

  18. admin says:

    On 17 Dec 2005 08:28:08 -0800, "awos" <awos_a…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >I’m surprised Belfort Instrument Company hasn’t yet claimed to have

    >  < typical anti-Belfort drivel deleted >

    In case you’re new to these rec.aviation.* newsgroups, here are some
    facts:

    Mark Kukucka has been posting this anti-Belfort garbage for years.

    Mark Kukucka was sued in Baltimore County Circuit Court for posting
    these anti-Belfort rants.  

    (See the article in The Baltimore Record for more details.
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4183/is_20051128/ai_n15872662/)

    Briefly, the suit said,

    "A Baltimore manufacturer of weather instruments is suing a fired
    employee it claims is on an anonymous Internet rampage.Belfort
    Instrument says Mark A. Kukucka has been harassing current Belfort
    employees via e-mail, calling the company’s customers and partners
    alleging unethical business practices, and posting trade secrets on
    the Internet.Defendant Kukucka has an alarming history of engaging in
    such ‘anonymous’ Internet attacks against those who he believes may
    have slighted him (including past employers), and, absent a TRO, will
    continue his historical pattern of making outrageous and harmful
    attacks against the material business interests of Belfort Instrument,
    reads Belfort’s complaint, filed earlier this month in Baltimore
    County Circuit Court."

    It is safe to ignore all  these anti-Belfort, anti-Shimadzu,
    anti-Ryland, even anti-Baltimore Convention Center rants.

    They aren’t even entertaining any more … they are just noise.







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