When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
me know?
26
Feb
Rest Feet on Rudders or on the floor??
c172fly…@aol.com (C172FLYGUY) wrote:
>When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest
your
>feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please
let
>me know?
I usually put mine accross the front on my girlfriends lap.
Stan
C172FLYGUY wrote:
> When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
> me know?
I would say it depends on the plane. Some of the planes I fly are a little
lopsided in the rigging and they need a little left or right rudder to keep
things coordinated! I usually keep my toes on the rudder and my heels on the
floor when flying. When the student is landing the plane, I definately have
my feet on the rudders – but just barely touching so I can feel what they are
doing and be able to take over quick if needed.
Tom CFI
http://www.wolfenet.com/~tegwilym/
c172fly…@aol.com (C172FLYGUY) wrote:
>When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>me know?
Depends on the plane and the weather conditions. I drive a 182 which has
rudder trim, so, on long cross-countries where the air is relatively
calm, I put my feet on the floor. When it starts getting turbulent or
I’m getting ready to manuever, I put them on the pedals (bottom portion
only). It’s mainly a question of leg strain versus need to coordinate
the plane.
–
Mike
My opinions, not Argonne’s…
C172FLYGUY wrote:
> When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
It depends whether your the pilot or passenger……….
In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
C172FLYGUY <c172fly…@aol.com> wrote:
>When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>me know?
Depends on the stability of the plane and air at the time. Look at the
ball. If it will stay inside the lines without your feet on the pedals,
and you feel more comfortable with them on the floor, get comfy. If it’s
bumpy enough to need constant control correction, keep ‘em on the pedals.
If the plane has rudder trim, one trick you can use is to crank in a
little right rudder and ride for a while with your left foot on the
pedal and your right on the floor. Then reverse the situation. This
gives each foot a rest for a while. This doesn’t work well in more
than negligible turbulence.
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In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com (C172FLYGUY) says:
>When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>me know?
Much depends on the type you are flying – with a tail-wheel aircraft
your feet are definitely on the pedals and working. Wheelbarrow drivers
have many options, but a favourite is to stick to the concept that
the pedals are to make taxi-ing easier.
Real pilots keep their feet in contact with the pedals in all flight
modes
In article <31A415E7.6…@wolfenet.com>,
Tom Gwilym <tegwi…@wolfenet.com> wrote:
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>C172FLYGUY wrote:
>> When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>> feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>> me know?
>I would say it depends on the plane. Some of the planes I fly are a little
>lopsided in the rigging and they need a little left or right rudder to keep
>things coordinated! I usually keep my toes on the rudder and my heels on the
>floor when flying. When the student is landing the plane, I definately have
>my feet on the rudders – but just barely touching so I can feel what they are
>doing and be able to take over quick if needed.
>Tom CFI
>http://www.wolfenet.com/~tegwilym/
that’s right. my clue to my students that i really have confidence in their
landing ability is when i start to put my feet flat on the floor during
their landings. (usually doesn’t happen too early — usually right before
solo).
john
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On 22 May 1996, C172FLYGUY wrote:
> When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
> me know?
The most critical stability mode for light aircraft, and the mode where
the aircraft is MOST likely to be unstable is in yaw. I have flown a
well trimmed aircraft for as much as two hours in still air without
touching the stick/wheel/yoke/thingy. I have never been able to take off
a shoe and shake out a rock without the airplane starting a turn and
steepening it quickly to an accident immanent angle within a minute or
two.
In summary, I NEVER take my feet off the rudders. I OFTEN take my hands
off the controls.
John
In article <832891068.703…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk>,
ton…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk (Tony Tyrwhitt-Drake) wrote:
> In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com
(C172FLYGUY) says:
> >When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> >feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
> >me know?
> Much depends on the type you are flying – with a tail-wheel aircraft
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> your feet are definitely on the pedals and working. Wheelbarrow drivers
> have many options, but a favourite is to stick to the concept that
> the pedals are to make taxi-ing easier.
> Real pilots keep their feet in contact with the pedals in all flight
> modes
And what difference would the gear configuration make in cruise flight?
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Tim Long wrote:
> In article <832891068.703…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk>,
> ton…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk (Tony Tyrwhitt-Drake) wrote:
> > In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com
> (C172FLYGUY) says:
> > >When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> > >feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
> > >me know?
> > Much depends on the type you are flying – with a tail-wheel aircraft
> _______________________________________
> > your feet are definitely on the pedals and working. Wheelbarrow drivers
> > have many options, but a favourite is to stick to the concept that
> > the pedals are to make taxi-ing easier.
> > Real pilots keep their feet in contact with the pedals in all flight
> > modes
> And what difference would the gear configuration make in cruise flight?
The gear configuration? Well actually none, but just by coincidence
most taildraggers do not have the rudder and ailerons interconnected
while most tricycle types do. Every time you move the ailerons you also
have to use the rudder.
Roger Halstead http://members.mdn.net/rdhalste/index.htm
N833R Worlds oldest Debonair? S@ CD-2
Roger Halstead <rdhalst…@mdn.net> wrote:
>most taildraggers do not have the rudder and ailerons interconnected
>while most tricycle types do.
actually, maules have the aileron driving what looks like a
trim tab on the rudder.
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Roger Halstead <rdhalst…@mdn.net> wrote:
>Tim Long wrote:
>> In article <832891068.703…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk>,
>> ton…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk (Tony Tyrwhitt-Drake) wrote:
>> > In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com
>> (C172FLYGUY) says:
>> > >When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>> > >feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>> > >me know?
>> > Much depends on the type you are flying – with a tail-wheel aircraft
>> _______________________________________
>> > your feet are definitely on the pedals and working. Wheelbarrow drivers
>> > have many options, but a favourite is to stick to the concept that
>> > the pedals are to make taxi-ing easier.
>> > Real pilots keep their feet in contact with the pedals in all flight
>> > modes
>> And what difference would the gear configuration make in cruise flight?
>The gear configuration? Well actually none, but just by coincidence
>most taildraggers do not have the rudder and ailerons interconnected
>while most tricycle types do. Every time you move the ailerons you also
>have to use the rudder.
>Roger Halstead http://members.mdn.net/rdhalste/index.htm
>N833R Worlds oldest Debonair? S@ CD-2
Interconnection of ailerons and rudder ?????
Probably there is just some more coordination needed in these
taildraggers..(between feet and stick) but interconnection ???
Does this mean when you give stick to the left….the left or the
right pedal moves with it ??? Maybe you push the red button under
the back seat for side-slipping.
many (most) a/c I’ve flown are a little out of rig—without rudder trim
you’ll pickup 2-5 mph by judicious pressure on the appropriate rudder—I
wish my old skyhawk and aeronca had rudder trim.
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Question about interconnected ailerons and rudder:
I know the Piper Tripacer (and probably the Colt also) had
interconnected ailerons and rudders accomplished by a spring connection.
I’m curious. What other planes have interconnected ailerons and rudders?
Dave York
also sprach c172fly…@aol.com (C172FLYGUY):
>When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>me know?
I was taught, heels on the floor, balls of the feet on the rudder
pedals. Seems comfortable enough and keeps you from riding the brakes.
Works for me. :-)
c172fly…@aol.com (C172FLYGUY) writes:
>When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>me know?
It depends on the aircraft. Get a stable (boring) aircraft like
a 172 or a … (long list), and feet on the floor is just fine.
Get a more interesting plane, like an Aeronca chief or champ, or a
Piper cub, or … (another long list), and you find that the rudder
pedals are a REALLY good place for your feet to be, cruise or otherwise.
Especially in turbulence.
John N9361E, Aeronca 11AC Chief
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Westmont College, Santa Barbara, CA, USA
tl…@mail.vcnet.com (Tim Long) writes:
>In article <832891068.703…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk>,
>ton…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk (Tony Tyrwhitt-Drake) wrote:
>> In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com
>(C172FLYGUY) says:
>> >When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
>> >feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
>> >me know?
>> Much depends on the type you are flying – with a tail-wheel aircraft
> _______________________________________
>> Real pilots keep their feet in contact with the pedals in all flight
>> modes
>And what difference would the gear configuration make in cruise flight?
Taildraggers (with a couple exceptions) were designed with a large amount
of rudder area to assist in dealing with the tracking problems inherent
with the configuration. (Can you say "weathervane"?)
They also tend to have larger amounts of adverse yaw, which needs to be
counteracted. I have observed in my Chief that if you let the rudder
pedals go free, any chance bump may set the aircraft yawing , whereas
the yawing is damped quickly when the feet are on the pedals, either
by unconscious correction, or simply the larger amount of ‘straight’
fin area.
John
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Director of Academic Computing,
Westmont College, Santa Barbara, CA, USA
> I’m curious. What other planes have interconnected ailerons and rudders?
The Navion does.
In article <4ob24c$…@qnx.com>, Andrew Boyd <ab…@qnx.com> wrote:
>Roger Halstead <rdhalst…@mdn.net> wrote:
>>most taildraggers do not have the rudder and ailerons interconnected
>>while most tricycle types do.
>actually, maules have the aileron driving what looks like a
>trim tab on the rudder.
That’s a yaw damper, and it works the same as a trim tab only if your
feet are off the rudder pedals. It’s just big enough to eliminate the
yaw; you still have to use a lot of rudder to start a turn.
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On Sun, 26 May 1996, Roger Halstead wrote:
> Tim Long wrote:
> > In article <832891068.703…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk>,
> > ton…@ttyrwhit.demon.co.uk (Tony Tyrwhitt-Drake) wrote:
> > > In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com
> > (C172FLYGUY) says:
> > > >When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> > > >feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
> > > >me know?
> > > Much depends on the type you are flying – with a tail-wheel aircraft
> > _______________________________________
> > > your feet are definitely on the pedals and working. Wheelbarrow drivers
> > > have many options, but a favourite is to stick to the concept that
> > > the pedals are to make taxi-ing easier.
> > > Real pilots keep their feet in contact with the pedals in all flight
> > > modes
> > And what difference would the gear configuration make in cruise flight?
> The gear configuration? Well actually none, but just by coincidence
> most taildraggers do not have the rudder and ailerons interconnected
> while most tricycle types do. Every time you move the ailerons you also
> have to use the rudder.
The gear configuration really doesn’t make the difference. Most taildraggers
have ample rudder to maintain directional control on landing. Most
taildraggers are older airplanes when there was not as much work done on
countering adverse yaw. Some airplanes, by NO MEANS MOST, have an
interconnection between aileron and rudder. All such are not nosedraggers,
and all nosedraggers do not have such interconnection. I am always bugged
when I fly an airplane, like the Tri-Pacer, that does, because it insists
on putting in rudder WITH aileron, instead of just slightly later.
It works well for people who do not fly well, and irritates those who
have learned to use rudder correctly.
Most taildraggers and many nosedraggers exhibit something called spiral
instability. This gives the airplane a tendency to start a turn due to
gusts. If it is not corrected promptly a well developed diving turn will
result. This instability can be negated by holding the rudder.
John
David York <y…@rd.qms.com> wrote:
>Question about interconnected ailerons and rudder:
>I know the Piper Tripacer (and probably the Colt also) had
>interconnected ailerons and rudders accomplished by a spring connection.
>I’m curious. What other planes have interconnected ailerons and rudders?
Ercoupe?
–
Mike
My opinions, not Argonne’s…
> > I’m curious. What other planes have interconnected ailerons and rudders?
> The Navion does.
210s do, at least later models
In article <31A8FBC3.4…@mdn.net>, rdhalst…@mdn.net says…
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> by coincidence
>most taildraggers do not have the rudder and ailerons interconnected
>while most tricycle types do. Every time you move the ailerons you also
>have to use the rudder.
>Roger Halstead http://members.mdn.net/rdhalste/index.htm
>N833R Worlds oldest Debonair? S@ CD-2
Not so.
Brian
In article <4o0jof…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, c172fly…@aol.com
(C172FLYGUY) wrote:
> When one is traveling in a normal cruise on a trip, should you rest your
> feet on the rudder pedals or should you rest them on the floor, please let
> me know?
I couldn’t imagine just leaving your feet on the floor. I think there are
always small corrections in heading that are made with the feet. Second,
if you needed to do a hard turn (eg. an evasive maneurver) you’d be behind
the 8-ball if you had to move your feet from the floor on to the rudder
pedals to make an effective turn. Third, there’s almost always some
turbulence (unless your in the middle of a Canadian winter eh) that
perturbs the plane. This should be corrected with rudder.
So those are my thoughts on this matter.