Does anyone know if the airspace over a federal, state, or private prison is restricted? If so,
what are the distances involved, if any, and what documentation can I cite stating same? This
info will be used to attempt to move a proposed private prison facility in Montana. Thanks for
your help.
30
Jan
Restricted Airspace
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Railman <rails…@digisys.net> wrote:
>Does anyone know if the airspace over a federal, state, or private prison is restricted?
So far as I know, no. The only facilities I know of with the kind
of restrictions you are talking about, involve matters of national
security (say, Hanford or Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Camp
David, The White House) or sites involving a clear and present danger to
civilian pilots (Ft. Riley artillery range and training ground(s), Camp
Atterbury, etc.).
I’ve never seen a prison marked off in this fashion.
>If so, what are the distances involved, if any, and what documentation can I cite stating same? This
>info will be used to attempt to move a proposed private prison facility in Montana. Thanks for
>your help.
Just try not to put it directly beneath the approach path to an airport.
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Mike
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Michael Richmann (richm…@cmt.anl.gov) wrote:
: So far as I know, no. The only facilities I know of with the kind
: of restrictions you are talking about, involve matters of national
: security (say, Hanford or Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Camp
: David, The White House) or sites involving a clear and present danger to
: civilian pilots (Ft. Riley artillery range and training ground(s), Camp
: Atterbury, etc.).
The homes of current and former living presidents. The transient location
of the current president, Camp David, Mount Vernon, and the DC Mall area
(the White House is in the fringe of this area) are prohibited areas.
Various other military and otherwise hazardous areas are Restricted
airspace if they are over US soil or Warning areas otherwise.
-Ron
> Michael Richmann (richm…@cmt.anl.gov) wrote:
> [....some examples of Prohibited areas... along with Restricted...]
>> Ron Natalie <r…@topaz.sensor.com> wrote:
>> [..other examples of P-areas:...]
>> The homes of current and former living presidents.
When Reagan left office in 1988, There was a notamed P-area over
his Bel Aire estate. It was right in the path/area of Santa Monica
Airport and didn’t last very long (dunno if that was the reason).
There was also a P-area over his Santa Barbara ranch varying up to
between 4000′ and 5000′ MSL. While I doubt anyone would really want
to approach the nearby 2800′ peak at low altitude, the Gaviota vortac
that lives there probably drew a lot of aircraft right to it anyway.
That P-area also disappeared within a year or two. Dunno if that was
the reason either.
Barney
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In article 2…@procyon.usc.edu, bar…@procyon.usc.edu (Barney Lum) writes:
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>> Michael Richmann (richm…@cmt.anl.gov) wrote:
>> [....some examples of Prohibited areas... along with Restricted...]
>>> Ron Natalie <r…@topaz.sensor.com> wrote:
>>> [..other examples of P-areas:...]
>>> The homes of current and former living presidents.
>When Reagan left office in 1988, There was a notamed P-area over
>his Bel Aire estate. It was right in the path/area of Santa Monica
>Airport and didn’t last very long (dunno if that was the reason).
>There was also a P-area over his Santa Barbara ranch varying up to
>between 4000′ and 5000′ MSL. While I doubt anyone would really want
>to approach the nearby 2800′ peak at low altitude, the Gaviota vortac
>that lives there probably drew a lot of aircraft right to it anyway.
>That P-area also disappeared within a year or two. Dunno if that was
>the reason either.
> Barney
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Where the 145 radial of the KENNEBUNK (ENE) VOR intersects with the
east coast north of Boston there is a P area P-67. Marked as
continuous to 1000 Ft. Monitor Notams daily for expansion.
George Bush’s house.
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Railman (rails…@digisys.net) wrote:
Does anyone know if the airspace over a federal, state, or private prison is
restricted? If so, what are the distances involved, if any, and what
documentation can I cite stating same? This info will be used to attempt to
move a proposed private prison facility in Montana. Thanks for your help.
Never heard of such a thing. We fly over prisons all the time.
Barney Lum (bar…@procyon.usc.edu) wrote:
: There was also a P-area over his Santa Barbara ranch varying up to
: between 4000′ and 5000′ MSL. While I doubt anyone would really want
: to approach the nearby 2800′ peak at low altitude, the Gaviota vortac
: that lives there probably drew a lot of aircraft right to it anyway.
: That P-area also disappeared within a year or two. Dunno if that was
: the reason either.
Actually happened at least once. Some poor slob flying down the victor
airway blew thru the P area just as the Marines were dropping Reagan off.
(The Marines helicoptered him in from Pt Mugu.) Two Marine Helicopters
followed this guy all the way to Orange County, where he got a real big
reception. After the Secret Service determined he wasn’t a threat to the
President, they left it up to the FAA. I think he ended up with a
temporary suspension.
Gerry
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bar…@procyon.usc.edu (Barney Lum) wrote:
>There was also a P-area over his Santa Barbara ranch varying up to
>between 4000′ and 5000′ MSL. While I doubt anyone would really want
>to approach the nearby 2800′ peak at low altitude, the Gaviota vortac
>that lives there probably drew a lot of aircraft right to it anyway.
>That P-area also disappeared within a year or two. Dunno if that was
>the reason either.
Interesting… I know whenever Bush was up at Kinnebunkport, they
would shut that VOR down!
John
In article <Marquette-1302961546150…@opus.d52.lilly.com>,
Marque…@Lilly.com (Ryan Marquette) writes:
>I’ve never noticed that the airspace around prisions in KY or IN were
>restricted, but I have seen NOTAMS concerning special use restricted
airspace
>over in IL during executions. It was the funniest thing the day I showed
>that one to my CFI! New to him, too!
> The restriction was for something like 5 n.m. from the prison (as
>properly noted by VOR radials and distances) for a 6 hour time frame. The
>notam went on to list the State Police Seargent in charge of the
>"operation" and the coordinating FSS. It doesn’t seem to be a rare event
>either, because since
>then, I’ve seen three very similar NOTAMS for the same prison.
I’ve seen this a few times around Joliet in IL. They restrict flights
below xxx feet AGL for a certain radius around the prison for executions.
I guess it keeps the news helocopters and some of the anti capital
punishment protestors away.
Jgs3mstr
MD-88FO
Restrictions anywhere don’t prevent anything, only deter those already
law abiding citizens. In the UK flights to Ireland must be authorised by
Special Branch for Anti-terrorism reasons. Doesn’t prevent us being
bombed though and as far as I am aware there has never been an incident
of arms or explosives being transited by light aircraft that has been
caught by SB.
David.